No one should vote for Hillary even if in a swing state. At least if you’re a principled progressive.
I don’t engage in fear based voting. I don’t engage in slippery slope fallacies. I won’t vote for Hillary. I don’t vote for a candidate that:
- Supported the Iraq War ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0 )
- Pushed Obama into Libya ( http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html ) which is what he says is his biggest mistake ( http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/10/politics/obama-libya-biggest-mistake/ )
- Pushed military action for Syria and wants a no fly zone ( http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-calls-no-fly-zones-syria )
- Pushes for military action against Iran ( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/9/hillary-clinton-threatens-war-enforce-iran-deal/ )
- Supported the TPP. Her state department helped create it ( http://www.ibtimes.com/cables-show-hillary-clintons-state-department-deeply-involved-trans-pacific-2032948 ) and she lobbied for it 45 times! ( http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/ )
- Supported NAFTA ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySYYHzj3evY )
- Supported/lobbied for the Omnibus Crime bill for the tough on crime part and not for the violence against women part or the assault rifle ban as Bernie Sanders voted for the bill for ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DViU0EmYo6E )
- Flip flops on gay marriage ( http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/ )
- Flip flops on guns ( http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/266412-before-attacking-sanders-on-guns-clinton-was-annie && http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/19/martin-omalley/fact-checking-omalleys-claim-hillary-clinton-flips/ )
- Flip flops on TPP ( http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/ ) which, btw, is obviously just for the primary, she will still vote in favor of the TPP ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html )
- Flip flops on Cuba Embargo ( http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/aug/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-cuba-embargo-change-position-did/ )
- Engages in dirty politics to “artfully smear” her opponents such as Bernie Bros and Obama Boys and using kennedy assassination or Sandy Hook against her opponents ( http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-bros-obama-boys-echoes-2008-medias-clinton-sanders-pundit-clash-2300707 && http://usuncut.com/politics/clintons-sandy-hook-attack-backfires/ )
- Sold weapons to nations around the world ( http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187 ) oh, one of those weapon manufacturers she helped sell weapons for was the same one that created the assault rifle used in Sandy Hook ( http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-state-department-approved-weapons-sales-company-made-sandy-hook )
- Pushed fracking around the world ( http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron )
- Supported arming child soldiers for war ( https://theintercept.com/2016/06/09/hillary-clintons-state-department-gave-south-sudans-military-a-pass-for-its-child-soldiers/ )
- Helped to start the Obama birther movement ( http://www.politico.com/story/2008/08/clinton-told-to-portray-obama-as-foreign-012420 )
- Screwed the poor people of Haiti from being paid properly ( http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/13/how-hillary-helped-ruin-haiti.html )
- Supports Saudi Arabia that abuses women (yet proposes to be women’s rights champion) ( http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-record-saudi-arabia-116160 )
- Worked for Walmart that crushed Unions and never lifted a finger to help them ( http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/clinton-remained-silent-wal-mart-fought-unions/story?id=4218509 )
- Supports the death penalty ( http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/28/hillary-clinton-comes-out-against-abolishing-the-death-penalty/ )
I can go on and on. There are so many negatives of Hillary (great comprehensive list here: www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/22/1489185/-The-Definitive-Encyclopedic-Case-For-Why-Hillary-Clinton-is-the-Wrong-Choice ). I will never support her as my vote is earned, not given. That’s why your “a vote for X is a vote to help Trump win” is a fallacy as well. It is based on the premise that my vote is OWED to Hillary and it never was. It was never even owed to Bernie Sanders. He earned it.
But I could actually argue there is reason that Trump would be better (I do so love to argue too, but be sure to note, this does NOT mean I support Trump. I will NEVER vote for him as well)
Thanks to many conservatives outbursts of late (and how they haven’t shown up to their own convention), my argument is even stronger.
Trump gets elected, what happens? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Why? Congress HATES him. They utterly hate him. And as much as people like to pretend the Presidency is a “powerful position” (it’s not without power, but they conflate it with more power than it has), without congress, there’s little to no power. So what happens? Congress and Trump fight each other for 2–4 years and that weakens the GOP grip on congress as 2018 more voters come out and flip the house and 2020 we can get a real progressive to run and win.
Hell, there’s a good chance Congress will work to impeach Trump. Both GOP and Dems will work together on this. So ultimately, a Trump presidency means nothing happens.
Now, let’s look at Hillary. Hillary is hated by the GOP, yes, openly, but in private? There’s a lot they agree on.
* Hillary is a war hawk ( http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html ) and she’s openly been for war with Iran ( http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484 ). So there ya go, GOP and Hillary agree and war with Iran seems even more likely.
* Hillary is for the same kinda trade deals the GOP are for ( http://www.ibtimes.com/cables-show-hillary-clintons-state-department-deeply-involved-trans-pacific-2032948 ). She might be saying in the primary that she’s against the TPP, but she lobbied for it FORTY FIVE TIMES! Her state department helped create what it is today. Words are like the wind. Easily ever changing and meaningless without action to back it up. And, quite frankly, Hillary’s actions on trade show opposite of what her words do.
* Hillary is for the same deregulations the GOP are for ( http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/politics/hillary-clinton-glass-steagall-act-martin-omalley/ ). We’re going to see even more deregulations toward wall street and corporations because she, like the GOP, are bought off by the same buyers.
* Hillary is all for tax avoidance/tax havens ( http://nypost.com/2016/04/17/the-clintons-connection-to-the-panama-papers/ and http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/panama-papers-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-221592 ), the same kinda thing the GOP love.
* Hillary has pushed and is for fracking ( http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron ) as are the GOP.
* Hillary will work with the GOP and corporate dems to kill Net Neutrality ( https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151207/21225233018/two-leading-presidential-candidates-clinton-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml ). While Trump talks against it, he won’t care to do anything. But the internet has almost screwed Hillary outta her crown (still might). She will do anything to neuter that in the 2020 election.
* Hillary will apparently happily raise the taxes on the middle class ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ua13_gYQn0 )
I could go on with more points (her flip flopping on various issues like guns, immigration, gay marriage, etc) and I could make the case that a Trump presidency would be “better” than Clinton. I could see way more corporatism under Clinton than Trump where as with Trump I see the GOP imploding and the Dems/Progressives uniting against him.
Ultimately, as I stated my stance is “not voting for either of them, I’m writing in Bernie or voting third party”. I would be the same in a swing state. My vote is EARNED, not freely given because of the fear of the other or going with the “lesser of two evils”
I haven’t even gotten to the point of how a faux progressive screws over the movement even more because it divides the movement. Divides it against the truly principled that can’t be conned vs those who like the ideals, but are conned because of cult of personality or some other issue. We see it right now with Obama and how he’s for the TPP, but the Dems won’t go against the TPP as their party platform because of it despite so many of the party not approving of it. The divide is going to weaken our chances of stopping the TPP.
Another point, if you want to bring up “Supreme Court!!” to me you’ll find that’s a flawed and failed argument. You are hoping Hillary will appoint a progressive justice without any evidence she ever would. Her donors would NEVER approve of her having put justices in power that will end the money in politics. And why would she personally want to anyways? Money in politics is how her family went from moderately well off to multi-millionaires. Obama certainly didn’t. Sotomayor and Kagan aren’t bad all around, but they also have sided with corporations 4 outta 5 times (the same as the rest of the Supreme Court). They are only good on the most EXTREME options, but even then, Obama is apparently more than happy to appoint an EXTREMELY bad candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kT06kKQHY
And if Obama’s choices are still corporatists, what will Hillary’s be when we can all agree she’s MORE conservative and establishment than even Obama?
And there’s no evidence that ANY Supreme Court Justice seats will open up (only the one that’s open now cause of the unusual death of that fat fool, Scalia).
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/gail-collins-ruth-bader-ginsburg-has-no-interest-in-retiring.html?_r=0 — RBG not retiring
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clarence-thomas-retiring-ginni-thomas_us_57684942e4b015db1bca42e5 — Clarence Thomas not retiring
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bad-news-obama-conservative-justice-kennedy-tells-pals-no-rush-leave-supreme-court-article-1.200636 — Kennedy not retiring cause of Obama, certainly won’t if Hillary wins
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-breyer-retire_us_55f58c98e4b077ca094f6077 — Breyer is not retiring…
The rest aren’t going to go anywhere as well. Sotomayor, Kagan, Roberts, and Alito all have no reason to step down and show no interest.
The Supreme Court argument is complete bunk. It’s based on multiple false premises.
Btw, Americans want an independent option
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/poll-independent-against-trump-clinton-223319
I won’t vote ANY Democrat other than Bernie and others like him, because I refuse to give the Democratic establishment any help. They don’t get a reward of MY vote after rigging the election. And no matter how much you want to trust our electoral process is without any corruption the reality still shows otherwise:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5O9I4XJdSISNzJyaWIxaWpZWnM/view — 100 page report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKTjzFpwX14 — Interview talking about how voting machines can be hacked and how the data shows there was fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qfHnlMUJ1o — Math used to show how the exit polls are statistically telling of potential fraud
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6mLpCEIGEYGYl9RZWFRcmpsZk0/view — Paper on the statistical evidence of election fraud
http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Grand-jury-indicts-Pike-County-man-on-election-fraud-382978021.html — Evidence of a man in Kentucky being brought up on election fraud charges in THIS 2016 election
http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-media-rigged-primary-clinton/ — Some key e-mails showing how the DNC sided with Hillary against Bernie.
https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/new-docs-from-dnc/ — Guccifer 2.0 leaks of the DNC e-mails
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/rhode-island-closes-66-percent-of-polling-places-to-cut-election-costs/ — Rhode Island governor (Hillary supporter as the DNC e-mails even show, but it was no secret) closed 2/3rds of polling locations
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282285-puerto-rico-long-lines-polling-stations — Puerto Rico closes its poll locations
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/new-york-primary-voter-purge — Voter Purges in NY, everyone talks about the 126k in Brooklyn, but there were more counties with purges…
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/ohio-voter-purge/485357/ — Ohio Voter Purges (at least they are a semi-open primary)
And I can get even more sources to prove the election fraud if you want. There are even MORE cases of voter purges around the nation and more evidence of election fraud.
The final point I’d make is 2018 and 2020. Hillary is too disliked by the nation. ANYTHING that goes wrong will be blamed entirely on her and, by proxy, the Democrats. Even if that’s not logical, even if Congress is the true blame, historically and currently people blame the President first and foremost. If you want the Republicans to win in a Census year (2020) and redistrict to never lose the House of Representative then you should vote Hillary Clinton. But I don’t care to give the GOP control of the redistricting.
NO ONE who is principled should vote for Hillary or any establishment Democrat. They will bring only more war and corporatism to our nation. Time to vote for the greater good and ONLY the greater good. End the “lesser of two evilisms.”
