Single payer and the public option were one and the same, sure different committees were using…
Louis Weeks

How about this, you tell me exactly, with specific details comparing the two things that make you believe they were completely different?

Sure, this is easy. As in the early versions of the bill there were multiple payers. One of those multiple players could be the government which would compete on equal footing with private players, that was the “public option.” Multiple players, with the government included as one of the options.

Now if you can’t see the difference between multiple payers and single payer, I can’t help you. It’s the difference between one, and more than one, to put it in simple terms that even deliberately dishonest people might get.

You clearly never understood the “death panel” issue, lol. Even Howard Dean and a host of Democrats have later come out against the Independent Payment Advisory Board that pushes cost cutting and decides what treatments are allowed and what are not.

I understand it better than you ever will. It was my job to understand it, but let’s move on.

First, the original claim of the “death panel” was not IPAB. The original claim, to include the one made by Sarah Palin, was a provision PUBLISHED IN EARLY VERSIONS OF THE BILL FOR ALL TO SEE, expanding Medicare coverage to include covering end of life counseling. Liars claimed it was mandatory and amounted to requiring physicians to counsel elderly patients to die. None of that was true, but in the stink generated by the dishonest fear mongering of Republicans, the provision was dropped in the course of the debate and public give and take that you dishonestly claimed never happened with the Obamacare bill.

Of course, the only reason Republicans like Sarah Palin were able to dishonestly misrepresent these words in the bill was because they were able to see them. That’s the point you keep ignoring.

After this original claim of a “death panel” fell apart with removal of that provision from the bill, the equally dishonest fall back position became the IPAB. Dishonest people, like you, say its intent is to ration healthcare and thereby be a “death panel.” You say this even though the plain words of the statute related to the IPAB say (and I am quoting it directly):

“The proposal shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums under section 1818, 1818A, or 1839, increase Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co-payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.”

Gosh, that seems clear to me. But let’s do an even stronger test. IPAB has existed now for seven years. It continues to this day. Give me one example of it “death paneling.” Just one. Give me the name of a single victim of this “death panel.” In short, put up or shut up and just admit you are a lying troll.

Opposition was so big top Democrats refused to hold open town hall meetings.

You mean like many Republicans are doing now? But here’s the key difference. Town meetings then could confront members of Congress with the actual words of the law. Town meetings now cannot because those words are secret. You keep ignoring that crucial point.

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