BloxMove : A Mobility and Power Blockchain Startup

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Sophia (CEO) and Harry(CTO) did a deep dive analysis into the Bloxmove Startup initiative and how the company will revolutionize and integrate Mobility, Blockchain, and green energy.

Community members asked questions, and they (the CEO and the CTO) addressed the questions one after another.

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There is the transcript of the first Bloxmove debate.

Sophia: We are live.

Hey audience, Perfect.

So we give everyone one more minute because then it’ll be exactly, at least in our country, 6:00 PM.

So grab water, take one more minute, and then we start our first debate.

So it’s now 6:00 PM in Germany. I would say let’s start with our first debate and we are really happy to welcome you here.

So as you heard already, and maybe you can see, we have our first life streaming, so it’s a very special thing for us.

We are happy to see you and also see that people are already joining the room, perfect.

Because our idea was, first of all, that we want to kick off 2022 together with you and also to establish these sessions as a kind of regular update for you.

And I’m really happy that I have Harry our CTO here because of the tech debate. For sure he will really go deep into the tech topics. This is what we want to discuss with you here. So you are invited to ask any question via the chat.

I will take care of the chat and also you had the opportunity to post many questions. So we have a long list of questions with us already, and can start this debate around the questions.

So this is the entry, and the welcome, and also the target of today.

We want to tell you a bit about our roadmaps. the business roadmap on one hand, and the tech roadmap on the other side. And this is where Harry will give us detail overview; I would read your questions and focus on all your questions.

So great to see you here. thanks for all the warm welcomes in the chat.

Harry: Really great! I mean we love our neighbors, so welcome. Cool!

Sophia: So, as I said, let’s start with a bit more general overview about- What we have in the New Year; so what do we plan for the New Year?

It’s about the roadmap and often you know our splits between- I start with the business and partnership topics and then Harry dig deeper into the tech.

So what do we prepared on the business side? I would say it’s quite exciting. So that is our roadmap on the screen, I guess you see it right now on the screen or it will appear in a second.

Roadmap

What we said the model for our company for 2022 is definitely execution and growth. Because people who are following us, I would say over a few months, they know that we started last year, that we founded the company last year. And did that management buyout with Daimler Mercedes Benz in may and since then we are really pushing and accelerating our business.

So the last year was really about setting the foundation, building up the team, hiring the first, almost 20 people in our team.

And this year is really about the execution as I said already. So we will definitely have the first half of the year, a clear focus on our partnerships.

Projects and Partnership

We kicked off many projects; for example, mobility budget solution with fleet company in the Netherlands. You know about our Dutch mass ecosystem approach and partnership, again, with the Netherlands.

But we also kicked off other projects and this year especially under Q2 will be about delivery. So we will definitely go live with the first elements of our proof of concepts, for example, with 50Hertz Energy Web foundation: so the entire power meets mobility topic, and also different other projects. For example, with the scooter company called Tier and other partners we have on our roadmap. So state tuned,

Sometimes you ask us a question- why can’t we not hear more about the partners? And guys here we told you already, we really have to take it serious when it comes to the communication with our partners, and we want to be aligned, we want to be sensitive about telling the stories of our partners, but you can definitely be curious there will be a lot.

So this is what we plan for the first half of the year. I would say we focus more and more also on the go to market strategy for the energy use case.

And the second half of the year is, I would say, one clear focus is really on funding. So we want to do next Series round, a Series A, our first series A round and this needs for sure preparation and a good pipeline of investors. So this is something we prepare on the business side for the second half of the year. This may be a rough overview. Now I will stop sharing the business roadmap. And I hand over to you, Harry, because for sure the tech topics are very important for this audience here.

Harry: [inaudible 06:45- 08:39]

Sophia: Harry stopped now. I checked chat, the team chat, I guess they can only hear me but not you. And also someone is saying Sophia’s Mic is the only one we can hear. So now guys, I told you already, this is our first live stream, so I try to fix that and try to find a way how I can share the desktop and the sound of Harry.

Sorry guys for that.

So I get now some technical advisors from our team but the problem is that I have a totally different display here and cannot see desktop audio or something like that. So I have no clue right now how I can add Harry sound.

I can try one thing let me take off my headphones and then

Harry: One, two, three, one, two, three.

Sophia: maybe it’s now working because people can hear you via my speaker, hopefully.

Yes. Now, it’s working. Okay, maybe not the best sound, but now we do it without my headphones

So Harry the people can hear you. Great guys, thank you for your patience. Okay. We learned, so now we learned another thing. So Harry, now the people can hear you.

Summary of the Tech Roadmap

Harry: Yes, so sorry for the hiccups. So at least I got some more time to order my thoughts. So we do indeed have a lot of exciting news or exciting work to do actually; and the news follows that this year.

So this year, what is our actual technical roadmap work? Of course we don’t name that “ this year”. So this is the year where the token gets into action, where we will deploy Bloxmove on the final mainnet. In parallel, we are working with very reputable Blockchain organization called Ontology who are centralized identifiers with whom we will release part of our protocol under the code name of Ticketmaster. Within this year, we are also working with the energy Web Foundation. We are validating new member of the Energy Web Foundation, but most of all, we work in two or three very exciting projects together with them and German energy operators.

And all of these are essentially part of the roadmap that are going live over this year. And as we do this we will start releasing the code that we have built within Daimler. We’ll start going to release that into open source. So by the time we go into Mainnet, 100% of the platform is going to be open source because nobody believes a decentralized platform that does not want an open source, neither do I, and neither would I. So we will definitely commit to, by the time we go live on mainnet 100% of the code is open source, and we will release this overtime. But by Q3, Q4 100% of what we are building, what we’ve built, and what we’ll be built is open source.

And last but not least we are working on our DeFi treasury protocol where we can offer our investors. First of all, liquidity farming, then staking, then stay tuned for something we are quite happy and proud about, which is a smart bridging. So essentially a bridge married with a liquidity pool to basically support our investors in using their tokens in meaningful ways; so that is pretty much as far as we can tell from the technical crypto Roadmap.

But there is more to that and that is the conventional, quote and unquote, the hybrid business. Where we dealing with companies; we have 50Hertz as a partner, we have two banks like Bankhaus Van Der Heydt, Tier as a partner, Flixbus as a partner where we work with them in applying Blockchain to more traditional business environments. But the core platform is of course always the same, even if it’s not so much directly. These customers they will not pay crypto tokens, they will pay a normal fiat currency, but at the call of it, it is still the same, very same platform.

And we also foresee here the first pilots to go live at the end of Q1. And I would hope to say that within this year we will have at least three or four pilots actually live and running and generating revenue. So this is essentially where I would like to put us out. And we’ll start now to communicate much more intensively on that aspect also from now on, through open source.

Bloxmove Hybrid and Native Business Model

Sophia: Absolutely. And that’s it. And this was already one of the questions you asked several times is this hybrid set up, right? And when we often speak about this hybrid setup it’s exactly about that, what Harry said. We speak about our more B2B related word, or also what we will add this year B2G; meaning Business to government bodies and also city because we realized in all our partnerships last year that a city is one of our strongest partners in future, especially when we speak about a decentralized platform for different ecosystems.

So this exactly- because the question was also in the debate questions- what we mean by hybrid setup. And we believe that there is a big potential in future with combining the crypto element, the token element, with The B2B world with real assets, with B2B industrial assets. And this is also something that we plan some product around in 2022.

So one of the next questions, maybe Harry we can focus on, was also about when we speak on the one hand the hybrid setup, you often talk about the Babatuktuk story, the native story, right?

Harry: Yes.

Sophia: So maybe you can give us a bit more example and also explaining around that.

Harry: Yes. So we come from a corporation. So that is why, of course, we have a lot of network into the build business Flixbus, Tier, et cetera, et cetera. But if you look at how crypto is developing, take DeFi, as an example, you’ll find that the true potential of crypto, unfortunately in many ways does probably not lie in the very highly regulated countries where existing industries and their lobbies try to slow down this very disruptive progress, obviously protecting themselves and protecting their business. The true potential and we’ve seen this before crypto in mobile banking, for instance, which was actually developed in Kenya. And it was essentially- in the beginning- it was glorified text messages used in a very smart way to basically signify bank transfers. And that is how mobile payment was born, now this is a several or tens of billions of dollar company.

And we, therefore, if you want to apply something like Bloxmove, decentralized mobility, truly at the protocol level where you don’t have fiat currency anymore, where you don’t think this traditional kind of audited accounting, but anyway, the Blockchain does better for you.

The Blockchain is the source of tools you don’t need all of that. If you think pure crypto then you need to go into environments that don’t have this very strong protection layer around their incumbent industries. And this protection called regulation is very strong in the US, is very strong in Europe, and is very strong in China. But then if you look at countries like Nigeria, just one example, countries El-Salvador, like Cambodia, countries like Indonesia, they are doing leapfrogging , they have less to protect. They want to participate in the future, they will fully embrace this.

So the Babatuktuk simply Bloxmove and a protocol, so we are not partnering with companies in this example we basically provide apps which they will give to the driver and through partners. So we build the apps for our partners, then the drivers of buses with many buses of ride hailing have a driver app. We also build the customer app, and then last but not least you have a point of sales app where the tickets can actually be sold.

And any driver operator that is on that platform can, first of all, of course sell, and basically their own tickets, but they can also sell tickets for anybody else. So if you are a trusted driver, you have a big customer that knows you and that basically he or she knows you, you sell them right here pay you a hundred Euro dollar and issue a ticket, and then now if you go to Kano or some other city in Nigeria, even though you got to know me in Lagos, then actually, you just use the very same ticket.

And if there is a driver there who is using this Bloxmove and the other protocol they will be able to serve you and they will get the money ultimately for me and all of that will be handled by crypto layer. And this is what the code name Babatuktuk is; and this is where the technology is really going to abide to it.

So we foresee here that culture, contrary to what people see now, the technology will develop much faster in emerging markets and the developed markets will actually follow and imitate what the emerging markets are doing because they didn’t have the courage to go with the flow of what this technology actually offers. So this is what we say with Babatuktuk scenario, which is exactly what the other side of the hybrid scenario, where you need to bring in accounting, where you need to bring in Fiat currency. We need to bring in a bank adapter.

It makes things more complex. It makes things slower, whereas the Babatuktuk to emerging market is a much more powerful proposition in our Opinion.

Role of Bloxmove Token

Sophia: Yeah absolutely. And this fits perfectly to the second question which someone ask in the debate questions; the role of the BLMX token in that setup, right? Especially, if we have Peer to peer maybe in future. What is the role- Is it necessary that every driver has to hold BLMX token? So maybe you can tell us something about that to the audience.

Harry: Yes. There are two utility instances. The one utility is- we will, because this is Bloxmove power the customers pay in Bloxmove. We will work through liquidity processes, essentially the prices are still going to be quoted in local currency; Naira, US dollar, whatever, Japanese Yen whatever it may be, but you will use Bloxmove token to pay. It can just be calculated in line, whatever the Bloxmove token is now to the price; let’s say is a thousand Naira for the ride, then you pay whatever Bloxmove is now for a thousand Naira, that’s the number one utility.

And the second utility is for the transaction processing. So actually what’s the business model of Bloxmove in all of this? The business model is that the platform takes transaction gas. So it’s basically each transaction that get processed takes a certain cut of the actual money flowing through; for flowing from the customer to the service operator, to the driver operator we take a very small cut and that is also deducted and paid for in BLXM. And by the way, whoever read our whitepaper, those are the transactions that we will regularly burn 10 to 40% of from the token, so this is the core utility of BLXM.

Sophia: Absolutely. So we have some good question in the chat because I think this is fitting right now. And you ask Toga how easily it will be to integrate Bloxmove in existing platforms, right? Or does it mean really a total new infrastructure?

Harry: So in the pure Babatuktuk scenario it would be seriously easy because you’re essentially going to use a SDK or protocol, so it’ll be easy or difficult as using a DeFi protocol. You consider that easy and it’ll be easy. You consider using a defi protocol as difficult, it will be in that level of complexity and pretty much at the same level of technology.

Also, when you look at the hybrid scenarios, and this is actually the first open source module, which we have released. We will announce it later this week, we will operate through API. So based on our work with the Dutch Blockchain Coalition and the Ministry of Water works and infrastructure in the Netherlands, they’re trying to build up a mobility as a service ecosystem.

And one of the things they very wisely did already, two or three years ago, they decided anybody who wants to play in this transport operator or service provider, they just need to do one thing. We all use the same plug here, they follow one API, this API is called the TOPM, API transport operator mobility protocol, I think, is what it stands for. You can find it on GIT.

So long story short, we took this API, it’s very standard. It fits the business domain and we built a gateway through Bloxmove to be able to be used through that API. So the answer to the question is; you will use these APIs and these APIs then the operators use their own transaction management systems, rental systems, their contract management systems, and they interconnect based on these domain specific standardized APIs. So that is the layer of integration is the hybrid model.

And the much easier layer, of course, there is almost no integration in the native crypto because that it is simply alright, as long as you speak Web3, as long as you speak DID, you are integrated by nature of the protocol.

Sophia: Exactly. The next one was related to App payment for B2C. So for you as customer on the end road and this is also one reason where we believe the first big steps we will make them in the B2B world. So more between the settlement and the payment between companies, and, for sure, in the future, and this is our big vision, especially when Harry is speaking about the native scenario, we also have the payment on the customer side, so on the street side so to say. But this is a step in between, especially when we speak about the hybrid setup; it’s more about using our Token more for the B2B settlement between companies.

Harry: even when BLXM is used one major difference… In the native model, you’re using the Bloxmove token, yes. But Bloxmove doesn’t take your customer. So whoever is using this app, whoever’s distributing the app, whoever’s acquiring drivers on that app, whoever is acquiring customers with this app, they will use BLXM because the protocol is a BLXM protocol, but that customer is their customers, we don’t care. That is their customer and the customer relationship stays with them. And that’s a very important distinction to make here because traditionally the apps will immediately control the customer relationship and basically go in there and become the gatekeeper and start extracting percentages of revenue, which are not really sustainable for any sales respecting business.

Sophia: Absolutely, so moving on. Reflecting on one of your next questions was also the question about the type or the scope of our project when it comes to urban mobility, right? And some people ask about the inter cities connection, so to say, is it only about scooters and bikes in this city or also between cities? And here we can definitely say first of all, yes. Trains, for example, is one great case for inter connection between cities. But the other thing very important to our big vision this is the focus on a green future.

So all types of mobility which are based on green energy, for example, or other new alternatives but definitely the green focus is clearly into our vision, and observe right now, so big trend when it comes to moving in the air, right? With air taxis and all that stuff, maybe not rocket now. This is then the big future, but the air taxis, for example, and this also one type which we observe right now and where we can maybe already tease something that this could be, that we have nice topics, nice ideas, and also nice partnerships around that topic so stay tuned here, but this clearly answers your question. It’s not only about the inner city mobility, it’s for sure, also the connection of cities. And with our big vision, also what Harry explained already, when we roam with our decentralized identity through a kind of mobility ecosystem then for sure it’s not only about your city, it’s really about the entire travel journey also beyond your city and new areas and new cities, and new countries. This is exactly what we see as our big vision for the future.

And then also focusing on the next question was a lot about the community, right? And, first of all, we can say communities really are the most important thing for us. Hopefully you can see that because Harry and I, we often try to be in the chat on Telegram and other platform. We exchange with you, we really take care of your questions. This is also a reason why we think this regular debate here is a good idea, because we can give you continuously, really transparent and latest updates; that’s exactly what we want to do this year and test with you. And what, Harry, can the community expect from us when it comes to community engagement, why should someone support our project?

I guess one clear topic was the open source topic, right? You mentioned already that this is clear model for the strategy this year and for sure when more and more is getting open we hope that also more developers will support and build on our code, will maybe also join the team as developer. Also, last year we started with some Hackathon events and we will also move on with Hackathon. This year Hackathon will be with Mercedes Benz, so this is already in the making right now. That we have also with our former partner and also existing partner a hackathon together there is one element where we say, especially, the tech community should be involved in developing with us. And when it comes to the talking side, Harry, I guess you have also some teasers here.

Harry: Yes. So for the token side, so essentially the utility of the token will fully come to the foreground once we go on mainnet, that is somehow Q3, Q4 this year until then we are building, building, building and releasing the code. So in the meantime what we are doing is, we trying to make the ecosystem for the DeFi protocols around it more attractive.

So as you all know, we launched on Binance Smart Chain. We did launch our liquidity farming. We’re going to add Ethereum on January 16th. So that’s a little bit more than a week. About the API, it will be attractive. We’ll reward this very strongly. And by the way, because a lot of people have been asking about the Tokenomics of the foundation, which essentially is the governing organization for Bloxmove, So a big part of the token that are being released or vested to the foundation whose role it is to support the technology, whose role it is to support the community and whose role it is to build the tech.

So a big part of that between 20 to 33% of those tokens will directly be recycled back to the community in forms of rewards. So the rewards we are putting into the liquidity farms and the rewards we’re going to put into the staking, they come directly out the treasury of the foundation because in this way we can incentivize and reward those that believed in us early by acquiring Bloxmove tokens, and then use these DeFi kind of constructs such as liquidity, such as staking, such as the smart liquidity bridging. So basically will we allow you to essentially use liquidity pool instruments across the two chains we are currently active on. And then I cannot say much about this at this point in time because that is still a little bit in the making and not yet fully disposable, but there would be very interesting ways in participating in real world services and real world assets through our business networks, we have access to services that are out there.

We have access to services that we can acquire with discounts as we move along; that are from the mobility and that are from the power industry. And we will package those using standard DeFi kind of mechanisms.

And we make those available to our investors by staking either Bloxmove or by staking Bloxmove liquidity where you provide Bloxmove plus, for instance, a stable coin. So we do that in parallel and this is part of the community engagement more towards the community of investors, as opposed the community of developers, where as we now ramp up the open source, we’re going to launch on discord. And basically then the medium of communication will be GIT and discord.

How Bloxmove Attract Investor

Sophia: Exactly. And this perfectly, I will answer the question Sanita asked here in the chat. How will we attract investors in the future? We know that there are need for more investors, so to say, but exactly we believe that one of our use piece, is exactly what I said at the beginning, that we build a bridge between both worlds and also convince, not only the investors who are interested in hypes and trends, and this is good don’t get me wrong, But we think Bloxmove real strength and also USP is that we combine and build a bridge between the industry, and this is exactly why we think in new directions, and as Harry said creative products especially between both areas this maybe as addition.

One of the final questions which we selected also from the long list of debate questions was related to the energy case, right? Because now we talked a lot about the Babatuktuk example and hybrid setup also the mobility case. And as you know, we have a second use case product; case related to our brand name, company name, power and mobility, and related to green energy. Exactly… the screen saver of Harry… and this is for sure the mother company in Ireland in Dublin, and here we cooperate with Energy Web Foundation and with 50Hertz around the topic of sector coupling is often the general term for that. And I guess Harry can give us a bit more insights from the project. What is the role of our technology in that entire project with both partners?

Harry: Yes. And the overall concept behind it is, that’s what sector coupling means. Meaning countering two industrial sectors; one of them being the power grid sector, the power sector, the energy sector, and the other one being the mobility sector and that’s what power mobility stands for.

And the basic idea upon which all of them lie is; electric mobility is not only mobility anymore because when you connect an electric vehicle to a charging station, given certain technical requirements called vehicle to grid or bi-directional charging at that moment that car, to be precise, the battery in that car is actually a live component of the power grid. So it can be used by the power grid, assuming regulatory approval, et cetera, but it cannot be used, and this is highly relevant for renewable, because the wind blows, when the wind blows, the sunshine shines, you going to harvest them when they come, but you don’t always have the demand that match it or vice versa. You have no sunshine and no wind when you need it so you constantly renew energy, power grids. You need a way to store your energy.

And the analysis is that electric vehicles or rather their batteries are providing a very decentralized way of creating decentralized rolling batteries and the number of electric cars that we expect in the not far future which runs to tens of millions for Germany and in the fifties or hundreds of millions for all of Europe together is definitely can supply that need that’s the long term vision.

In the meantime, there are more immediate things. We all know, at least many people know, that power is nice and electric vehicles are nice. They don’t emit carbon dioxide. They don’t emit nitrogen dioxide, but you still don’t use the power that is in vehicle now, which is used as they’re being generated through fossil fuel, meaning by burning coal or by burning oil, which then still creates carbon dioxide and still contributes to climate change, or has it actually been and Germany and the Netherlands are definitely countries that are very much at the forefront, all we are doing is trying to also generate the power with green energy

And now if I want to support this, I would like to be able to have a contract with the power industry that the power that is fed into my electric vehicle should only be green. And now if you think about how to make sure of that you need a lot of verification, a lot of Providence checks and a lot of proving in order to be able to deliver that kind of product. And that is where we are working with 50Hertz with one of the third German power with backbone operators they call TSO transmission service operators. They serve 25% roughly of the German population, essentially Northeastern part and their technical partner here is the Energy Web foundation, and it’s a Blockchain organization, one of the best out there that specifically focused on power network. And they also own the open charging network with the OCPI own charging protocol interface.

And we are basically at that level, we are providing our main role as Bloxmove to provide the settlement and the proof and the verification for these transactions. So they can bring them to the market because in order to do any of this, you always need to make sure it’s true, it’s verified, there’s no cheating happening. And using these basic technologies of decentralized identifiers of verified credentials of Blockchain itself, cetera that is where the transaction management lies and this is how we came to be in there. And this is our main contribution together with the Energy Web foundation to build a fundamental verification, transacting and Bloxmove then doing the settlement layer where things get booked and accounted.

Marketing and Competition

Sophia: Absolutely. And also maybe one closing sentences to that statement from Harry, because of the question we have about marketing, and competition is strong right now. that’s absolutely true, but what Harry explained here is one example why we believe that we are absolutely at the right time, at the right place and also with the right network and the right skill-set here; because we are, I would say, lucky that we have many years of experience in the industry, especially in the automotive industry and mobility industry and exactly what you can see in all our cases, our main skill is really related to the mobility case. So when it comes to vehicle, electric vehicle, or scooter or something like that and this is exactly what we will bring in, in all the cases, right?

Like here, with sector coupling and also in the other cases so this is why we believe we are definitely different. We make a strong campaign and then we are ahead of the market. We are so deeply into all the different B2B words, but also as I said connected to the Ministries, right with our first partnership with the Dutch Ministry, but also now with two ministries here in the south of Germany. So therefore we are really convinced that this is exactly the right way. Maybe sometimes a bit slower because B2B is intense when it comes to alignments and contracts and all that stuff but at the end we believe here that there is magic in it when we apply distributed ledger technology for that area and for real life use cases.

Harry: And from my perspective, as a closing statement, and I really believe that, and I’m quite willing to be taught otherwise we essentially have no competition. There is simply no organization that is so deep and so far in the sectors we’re in. there’s a number of organizations that say mobility, mobility. There’s a number of organization let’s say Blockchain; obviously there’s a few companies that say Blockchain mobility, but do believe in me we’re far, far at. And when it comes to the power and mobility, I don’t know a single company except the one we are working for which is the energy web foundation that has any say in the way things are done. So competition, I think, we do not have, the only thing that we’ll decide upon whether we are successful or not because, of course, that is never, never a hundred percent assurance.

It could be that with these technologies that we’re building, which will come, it could simply be that because inertial because of over regulation, it doesn’t get picked up which is exactly why we are doing this Parallel track or the main track where we say, let’s go into the less regulated, you know, fully native emerging markets where this danger is not so, and where we believe these kind of technologies will really rock. So we really, if you study our technology and if you study our business connectors, have no competition. That’s just the fact.

Daimler and Bloxmove Relationship

Sophia: Yeah, absolutely. And I would say with having eye on the watch and the time, and it’s almost weekend, let’s come to the final question. And it’s a nice one from Konel related to our history with Daimler. And we are proud of the history with Daimler. And Harry you had also intense times during your setting up the Blockchain factory in Daimler. So you ask why we decided to separate and develop the software outside of Daimler. I guess you have the best statements for that. And then I can add,

Harry: No, actually you have, you know, it much better than I do, but the short version is because it was done amicably, we are not the core business of Daimler. This thing needs to be done by somebody who who considers it, their core business, this needs full forwards in order to really fly. It needs a lot of faith into it. And this is not something that can be done with all due respect, but with the speed and the regulation and the very, very structured processes that a big organization must apply. So if you wanna go speed bold, and you wanna go into a very, very disruptive sector, which is uncertain in terms of regular business, then the best thing is spin it off, put it into startup, put it into a speed board and let it run. And that’s at the nature of the separation, which is very, very amicable. Google the two word Daimler Bloxmove the first link you’ll see is press release, release where diamond basically bid farewell to us and you’ll see how positive and how encouraging, and how supportive that is.

Sophia: Absolutely. Therefore we have further corporations with them and projects, as I told you, for example, the Hackaton event and so on. So there’s a lot which will come, but it is win-win because, I guess exactly, what Harry said, it’s better to push such a topic in an outside world. I mean, otherwise we would not talk with you here because I think we would never do, or we will never have done such a token launch or something like that. So it’s amazing and our opportunities are amazing right now, so it’s great that we can take them. I will say because we talk more than 45 minutes we come to the end of the first debate. With some hiccups that we managed pretty well, sorry for that we will improve on the setup. But the idea to give you regular updates, to answer your questions.

Conclusion

We will select the winning question of the debate and we’ll announce that in our channels. So stay tuned. We will announce especially on telegram and Twitter, our amazing marketing term Lucas and Lisa will inform you about the winners. So I would say for now we can stop. I wish you a wonderful weekend, also thanks Harry.

This is really interesting and you guys with all your questions stay prepared because we another next week. We planned an asked me anything session soon so you have to be set because right now we have to stop the session. Thank you.

Harry: Thank you Sophia. Thank you the community. I’m not in the chat. So I don’t know the names, but if you have any question, guys and ladies, feel free to reach out. If you want to follow up on the question you’ll find us in the telegram group. We’re both present in Western European reasonable time. We’ll always be present in that group.

Sophia: Exactly.

Enjoy the weekend guys. Bye. Bye. Bye