Let’s not elevate Apple’s ethics and morality above the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Oleg Dulin
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Oleg Dulin, this has nothing to do with morality or ethics. It’s about mega-corporations making money by choosing vastly different business models.

In the wake of the Snowden revelations, Apple chose to distinguish itself from Google by making safeguarding your privacy a key product selling point. Because Google monetizes your data they can never do the same. Never. They’re trapped by their business model. You want to call Apple opportunistic? I agree 100%. They saw a great opportunity to differentiate themselves from Google and seized it. I align myself with that decision because I benefit from it.


Regarding your voluminous writing about the current state of iCloud, you could’ve saved yourself a lot of time had you not missed 2 key points I made in my last post.

1) The first key point you missed is that in my last post I wrote:

As far as providing your data to law enforcement, of course Apple does that — all companies are required by law to do that with any clear text data they have in their possession.
However, Apple is taking steps to ensure that going forward any documents/text messages/emails that you have on iCloud can only be decrypted by the owner of the device. Just like with device encryption, only the possessor of the device passcode can get to the clear text version of the data.[rest of what Apple is working on the next version of iCloud deleted].

I had explicitly highlighted “going forward” to save you the time of telling me about the current Apple iCloud TOS. Everything I wrote is about the next version of iCloud. There are many reports from March of this year, that Apple is working on making iCloud as private and as secure as an iPhone, again because privacy is a selling point due to their ‘opportunistic’ business model. Already, should you choose to, having your iOS keychain in iCloud is so secure that not even Apple can read it. They’re simply going to extend this model to all of your data stored on iCloud servers.

As an FYI, it will most likely be opt-in otherwise if the user loses their passcode all their data is lost, and not even Apple can recover it. But that’s the Apple way, giving the user privacy choices by opting in or out by doing the classic ease-of-use vs. security trade.

2) The second key point is that even if they never deliver on that promise for any reason, and iCloud stays as it is right now, Apple will never, ever monetize your content unlike Google who does it right now.


The encryption issue with Android phone is un-winnable. Give up. My question was about the Nexus itself, which is offered by Google. Of course Google is not going to hold the master keys for other Android phone manufacturers, but what about the Nexus? No complains ever by law enforcement about its encryption methodology.

And speaking of the other Android phone manufacturers, you never hear about law enforcement complaining about a single one of those either, and there are way more Android phones than iPhones.

Apple used to be in possession of the iPhone encryption master keys, but as of iOS 8, they stopped. Google stopped being in possession of the Nexus master keys as of ___________.

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