When I arrived to Caribe Sur: Mel Baker

Interview with Mel Baker in Punta Uva, Tuesday, October 22, 2015

This interview is part of a growing digital archive of the communities of Caribe Sur, Costa Rica, organized by the Rich Coast Project in collaboration with many local residents and organizations.

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When did you first arrive to this area, why did you come, and what was it like when you got here?

When I arrived here in Costa Rica, I felt I was coming here as a refugee from development in the United States. I couldn’t take any more of what I was experiencing, all the rampant changes and insanity of subdivisions. So I got to Costa Rica basically looking for a place to .. well I didn’t plan to come here to live to tell you the truth. There was an opportunity to come here, and I took it. Again, never planned to stay but never decided to leave. I got here in November of 1974. I immediately started getting to know the place because I said, well, if I want to be anywhere I want to be a place where there’s no road. So, at that time I came here in a private plane with my partner. And we flew… like I looked around the map and the most remote areas were Golfito or the Osa peninsula and over here. So we flew to the beach in Golfito and I got out and I looked around and I said, “well this is pretty nice, but I don’t feel right.” Later I met some people from Cahuita. Americans who were living there. They invited me to come over so I trained over and visited.

And after a few days I realized this felt kind of like what I thought, because I grew up in a rural area in the U.S. and I liked rural life. And I said, “Well, this looks like an interesting place to hang out, let’s see what it’s like to live here”. So, after a bunch of delays, I finally came over to live here in May of ’75 because I had a partner that I met on the trip who was about to have a child and she didn’t have anyone to support her, so I stayed with her until she had her child, and then I had to get out of the city so I came over.

I lived in Cahuita, outside of Cahuita, for… I don’t know… couple years I guess, off and on. Because after I got my feet on the ground, started learning about the crops, chocolate, bananas, the whole nine yards; what people did for a living. And I got more and more comfortable with it and I was comfortable with the climate. A lot of rain, but it was okay. And so at one point I said, “It’s time to take another step,” so I bought a horse. And after getting used the horse, because I wasn’t ever used to horses much, I saddled up one day and I rode all the way to Gandoca.

There were no roads, except from Cahuita to Puerto Viejo there was a small gravel road. So, in that trip, I sorta got a view of what the land was as far as near the beach at least. There weren’t many roads going inland except to Bribri. So, after that trip I felt real comfortable with this particular spot. I don’t know why- the light- whatever it was.

So, I met a family here, the Brown family. Maria Brown who used to live here and Ernesto Creek. Well, actually when I met them, Ernesto was still alive. So, anyway, I don’t know if I was actually invited to stay with them or not but I ended up staying there for quite a while, just helping out with the farm. Whatever the guys wanted to do.Go fishing, we’d go fishing. whatever.

And so I got to know quite a few of the neighbors around here, and in the process the idea came, well I wonder if there is any land to buy. And it turns out a few years before I showed up there was a man who came through here, a North American I guess, and he was buying up everything he could find.

People weren’t into selling land much because they lived on cacao, right. And if you sell your cacao farm, basically you are saying “I’m not going to work anymore,” or “I don’t want to live” or something.

So I heard a few rumors that people might wanted to sell and they were false. But, finally, this little piece of land here was in the hands of a man who was working in the docks in Limón. He came one day to work his farm and I helped him out. We talked about it and he said, “oh no no no, I’ll never sell my land!” and I said, “Okay”.

So some days later he got in touch with me, and I don’t even know how because the communication was like “he said she said.” But, anyway, he let me know that he wanted to sell the land. So I went to Limón and met with him and we made a deal and so I bought it. And in those days the cost of land wasn’t so great, so the money I had could easily cover the cost. And I said, “Well that’s a small investment to see what life is going to be like.”

I got to work, at least I had an income. I had a little bit, almost two hectares of chocolate. Then I needed a house, there were no houses here. Seeing how things were done these days I bought a chainsaw and brought it here and thought, I wonder what you do with this thing now.

Of course the word got out quickly that I had a chainsaw and a guy came out of a bush and he said “You have a chainsaw, why don’t we go into business together?” So, we talked a bit. I didn’t know him from Adam, never met him. So I said, “Well, I guess I better make a deal with this guy if I’m going to get any wood coming for this house.” So I made a “papel de un colon” contract with him, I made it as formal looking as I could. Actually, he and I worked together for years.

Ended up sawing lumber for a whole lot of neighbors, and the only contract most bush people know is ‘a medias’. So, whatever we earned we shared it half and half. I was in charge of getting parts for the chainsaw. He did everything else. So in that manner as he would make the wood to build the house near the side there.

And, okay, why did I stay here?

Well, it met the criteria that it was without a road, there were maybe two or three vehicles in the whole zone and mainly it was for hauling chocolate from where it could be processed, well in some cases dried, and then got into the river or got into a boat or train. I don’t know what they did with it, but somehow they got it out of here. I felt good living in a place with no road. It wasn’t always easy, but it was always interesting. And that’s, to me, very important. I don’t find it interesting now to live around here.

And then the other thing I found really interesting was that it was a small community of like-minded people. Basically everybody was a cocao farmer, cocao and coconuts.

So, and, I didn’t find any trouble relating to people. I heard stories about other foreigners in the past that didn’t last very long, because they didn’t get along. Anyway, for whatever reason, I seemed to move pretty good with the people around here. We were often forced to help each other. Especially after monilia came in, the cacao plague. Because that didn’t take long in reaching everybody. It started from near Cahuita and worked it’s way down.

So by 1981 basically there was no more crop. Well, at least there were fruits but they didn’t make it to maturity. So we had to try other things. The cooperativa that was formed actually in ’78. It was barely getting its feet on the ground and all of the sudden we were like okay here, we’re a cacao crop but we don’t have any cacao.

And gradually, little by little, the big shots that started it kind of backed away from it. It got so that even I turned out to be a member of the board of directors. You could see how desperate they got. A few of us like George Hansel was on it and we would have to go to Cahuita for meetings. There were many of times we walked from here, crossing flooded rivers and whatever.

We’d get a bus to go to a meeting. Often the people who lived 200 yards away didn’t show up or showed up two hours late. Made us feel pretty useless. Finally, it just got to the point like why are we even doing this? Nothing was happening. We tried a lot of different things. One of the efforts we had was through a contact I had with Bill McLarney who was an ichthyologist who did his phD studying Gandoca.

When the monilia became very obvious it wasn’t going to go away I wrote him a letter, “just like you said the monoculture is falling on top of us. The monilia is fatal.” He had a contact, somebody that had contact with money, and we were able to get a grant to get the co-op to buy yam seed.

That looked good to me. I mean, anything that was something that could grow. On top of that it was something you could eat, if nothing else. It was amazing how many local people took seeds and didn’t even bothered to plant them, because they said no one would buy this stuff. Anyway, I planted it because I guess I was dumb, I don’t know.

I got a pretty good crop and I was one of the few people who hired boats and stuff to haul it out to sell it and got a chunk of money for it. Then all the sudden everybody became interested. But, as luck would have it, it started getting a disease in the leaves. So the second crop that came, or anything after the first one — it took a while for the fungus to say, ‘oh, here’s some new food’ or whatever, I don’t know — the succeeding crops did not turn out well, so we were back where we started. But it was a try. After that we had to almost give up because there was no other new thing to try.

Around early 80’s my friend Bill McLarney had bought a place in Gandoca. His main interest was basically to have a research center. He was interested in self-sufficiency like having tilapia ponds. He was an ichthyologist, he taught fish, right. He was doing different projects in Gandoca and one of the men that came down to work to keep the farm up and try to keep the projects going, because you have to keep with the people or they just kind of walk away from it. They’re really interested when you’re there with them but often they just walk away if you’re not.

James Lynch came down and worked for a while, trying different things to get people to have access to plants and bags for example, like fruit trees or something to get them doing something with the land. Anyway he realized that this isn’t working. The colegio and BriBri had the project there, people were not coming from bush to go get the plants.

I was part of an association called ANAI, and the next step was well if people can’t come to us, we got to go to the people. So he, I guess, more than anything, got projects and proposals together and got funding to start what they called community vivero, community nursery project.

We ended up having something like 23 different communities. In the indigenous reserve mostly, and there was one here in Cocles that didn’t have much local participation. I can’t explain why really. Again, it’s why we go into all this trouble. A tree takes forever to produce fruit.

Part of the idea was find something that will maybe stop people from going into cattle farming or cow raising and chop the forest down to starve to death with cows. I have to say in the indigenous reserve, it worked out quite well. Of course they can’t just always do what they want with the land, they have their governing body. But they accepted it really well and in many cases it helped to unite those communities because we would meet once a week to fill bags of dirt and plant seeds and talk about things. Sometimes after these meetings people would start meeting on their own, find they have common interests. Even to the extent that it reinforced their interest in the things they had been growing all along like the bananas and plátanos and that sort of thing.

Later on the idea of organic this, that and the other came in and it really helped reinforce the communities. Those that were working together, were stronger. I was really proud to have participated in that.

I guess I was involved with that for like 12 years, which meant being somewhere out there every day. Sometimes ten days a week. But, it was great, I enjoyed it.

Finally the project did about all it could. It was never designed to be forever because you hope at least that something gets on its feet can run by itself. It finished with the association called APPTA in BriBri, which was to be in charge of commercializing produce. I assume they’re still doing that, I haven’t visited them for quite a while.

That’s an important aspect — if you have your product, and you want to sell it, you are stuck with either giving it away or selling it to intermediate who is not going to treat you fair. So the idea was to have an association that was of the farmers and they could decide who was going to be running it and how they were going to run it.

I assume it’s still going on. After faltering steps, of course, like everything else, it seemed like it had some good contacts with organic cacao and the organic bananas, exporting to companies…

Where did that leave me? Well after the project stopped with ANAI I said, “Ah, at last! I can go back to my farm!” I think it was about two weeks into my new life, or back to my old life so to speak, that I accompanied a group of law students to Gandoca. I was wearing river boots from way early in the morning to way past midnight that day, and somewhere along the line I got an infection in one of my feet.

So I was out of commission for like a month or something. I was like, “Uh oh, my savings are dwindling and I still don’t have anything on the farm I could really live on.” Even though I tried to plant some of the same trees we were sharing out in the communities. So since I hadn’t been working. Well, as long as I was working with ANAI, I didn’t have much time for other activities.

I was a founding member of ATEC, because I believed you needed some community based thing to control what tourism was going to be doing in your community. I was a member, but just a member. I wasn’t part of anything. After I quit my other job I said, “Okay I’ll accept the position” they put me in as treasurer. I’m not exactly designed for those kind of things, but I accepted it. Within a short time the man who was the manager got a better deal from World Wildlife and he left and so I felt like it was my responsibility as treasurer to somehow cover what was supposed to be done.

Little by little, first working for free, just to keep it going. I think we just had one person working at that time. Then afterwards a woman had been working with us, a local woman, Damaris Patterson. She also was finished with her project so she became interested in what was going on there and she lived right next door to the office. Little by little she sort of took over running things which I was grateful for. But, then she decided to get married and go off to, Switzerland, was it? I think so.

So, again, I came out of retirement. I took over running the ATEC office for seven years. I never imagined I would be doing anything like that. It was challenging but I kept it going, started the first internet access here in the community, about ‘92 or ‘93, something like that. No, ‘93 maybe. I can’t remember dates that well.

At that time they did not have digital lines, they had analog. I don’t know if you can imagine what it’s like to use analog for internet. Apparently it was needed because people would use it and so I was able to make a little income more for the office. I had to charge like $6 an hour or something because it was so expensive, and so slow! People really used it because they really wanted to or, I don’t know. Anyway, so we kept going with that.

We also managed to get a fax machine. So we ended up being like the center of activity. We also took over the post office from the police station which wasn’t exactly doing a great job. We had a phone line that was administrated, meaning people would come to make phone calls and you had to have somebody there to make the call for them. The obligation with ICE was that we had to have it functioning something like ten hours a day. We had to have two shifts of workers, at least. So we got like, okay, we’re big time now, we have like three people working in this office.

One of the reasons we existed when we started was mostly because Damaris insisted that we have to have school supplies for kids all year round. So that was one of our unwritten laws that we were always going to have school supplies available for the kids here. We tried to help the school as much as possible.

Photocopies…that was our other thing. We had a photocopy machine. So these were sort of our guidelines and so we, well… Damaris actually had met a guy who was selling postcards. And she consulted me and said what do you think? I said, “Whatever, try it”, so she started selling postcards. You know, another five cents here and ten cents here just to pay the budget and pay the rent and all the other things you end up owing, light bills and that sort of thing. Well somehow we kept going and going and going and I guess they’re still going even they’ve had some hard times.

I must say it isn’t often you see an association that lasts that long around here. It was founded in 1990 or something like that.

The first attempt at a road… when was that? 85 or something like that? The JAPDEVA ran tractors all over the place and knocked a bunch of trees down and left a mud strip there. That alone made me so uneasy I couldn’t sleep at night for weeks.

I kept hearing voices and people walking around there and I was like, what’s going on? Because before people walked on the beach. Finally, little by little, bush started growing up and it wasn’t used much. Still people would sometimes walk on it, but I got kind of used to it.

During this time after they had started making this, the people of Old Harbour decided, or there was some initiative to start a community organization for fighting for rights or something — looking for ways to benefit the community — I don’t remember what that initiative was called. But, I went to the meeting and somehow I was elected. First I was elected president and after a couple meetings I said “You know what, I’ll be in this but not as president.” I just figured, people locally, they feel like they don’t have the brains to be the president or something. I thought, I’m supposed to have brains but I really can’t reflect your guys’ issues. Somebody in this group has got to be president, but not me.

It still turned out that I was single and didn’t really have a lot of obligations. So I was the one that ended up at every, I don’t know if it was weekly or what it is, but I would find myself on a Friday night in Limón attending a meeting with these people. One of the projects the people told me I was to present was finishing the road to Manzanillo. So I was in a very hard spot.

It was really interesting meeting the people from the other communities that were involved, and what their problems were. They were searching for funds from, I don’t know from JAPDEVA, probably, to solve some of their problems. But almost all of the funds were for road type projects. There weren’t a whole lot of people who were saying, “Hey, bring me a whole bunch of banana seed” or whatever, something like that. People always felt like roads were first, to get the produce out.

Well, here there was no produce to get out. Really, people weren’t planting anything except for local consumption, and even very few people even doing that. But there were people interested in doing hotels that weren’t local. Well, let’s put it this way: there was a time after I was working at ATEC when there was a lot of interest from local people to take advantage of tourism. Of course, nobody had money. There were attempts, I was partly involved in that, other people were to present proposals to groups who actually kind of indicated they were willing to get money in the hands of persons who wanted to get in business. But, apparently, the restrictions or requisites were so hard to understand, or impossible to meet, that I don’t know of anybody that got any help in that way.

So the only other option people had was selling land. Man, I had so hoped during that time that there would be somebody that would help the people.

There wasn’t very many at first that was interested, but enough that if a couple of them had gotten help it would have stimulated a lot more people to do something. That didn’t happen. What we saw then, especially as the road started advancing, was land being sold faster and faster.

At first the road was paved with crushed coral from old coral deposits inland and it was kind of nice looking. It sort of had a community feel to it. At that time as part of my work I was driving a three ton truck to deliver stuff around and pick up stuff from San Jose and bring it here. So, I had this three ton truck and when the road got a little rough, I talked to Tino or somebody else and I said “Hey, get a few guys together we’ll go load this thing with rock and fix the holes in the road.” We did that a couple times and everybody felt good about it.

It was our road, we were going to take care of it.

But, after one such endeavor, and I don’t know if it was a municipalidad or who, brought in trucks of gravel or something that were going to do something. Or, maybe it was somebody’s building, they wanted gravel for construction, I don’t know what. Anyways, they destroyed the drainage pipes over there in Playa Chiquita. They just left it that way and went away.

From that point on I realized, “Okay it’s done, there’s no more ‘our road’ it’s their road,” and from then on when they finally got around to wanting to fix it and all that, I guess that was the point when I gave up on living with the road. I was trying to think of options and I said, well, you know, if I could convince enough people that a rail system here instead of a road would not only serve the purposes they thought they needed, which was move around, get here and there, and if anybody really had anything they wanted to take out they could do that too.

I was even fantasizing that you could have your own little spur with a little push cart or golf cart or something where if you wanted to go run to town for something you could go [sound effects of a train], or bicycle or whatever. I was going running with my imagination because there was few enough people where it wasn’t impossible. There weren’t big hotel chains or anything like that.

Well, I tried to get interest for that idea, the general idea of rails as being actually an attraction for tourism. I mean, where can you go, maybe like Long Island? Does Long Island have a situation like that? You know, it could be an attraction, but flies go in one ear and out the other and nothing happened.

So finally I said, well I can’t beat them. I’m not going to be running out there from door to door, that’s not me that’s not my style, I’m not a politician. Emily tried to say, “Oh go stand up and make a speech about it.” I handed out a piece of paper explaining my idea, and these were people who owned property away from the locals. These were the people who did the moving, ya know? It wasn’t the local people, who basically kind of accept whatever they get. So, nothing happened on that.

Well finally, as I watched little by little communities changing, I watched little by little as the Afro-Caribbean population gets more and more kind of, not to say separated exactly, they’re in there, but they’re not really always a part of what’s going on.

The young people are not taking advantage of what really could be done with tourism. Following girls around, I guess, was one of the options they had, but I didn’t see serious attempts by people, young people especially, to take advantage and go ahead. I don’t know it just got more and more lonely here because communication stopped, like Eddie was saying. You didn’t have this flow of information unless you happened to be in one of the, either the Italian group or I don’t know how many other different groups there are around here. Or unless you were a party-goer. I guess if you go to parties you could get information, but that wasn’t me, and it wasn’t Sarah.

Sarah became really worried about the level of violence around here, and I was certainly uncomfortable with it. Mostly it was things like elderly couples being assaulted in their homes, getting beat up and that sort of thing. It happened to enough people that we knew and we said, when is it going to happen to us? We don’t know. She was that worried about it and she wanted to go back to Monteverde. So finally I said, “Okay, I’ll go with you, check it out and see how I feel.”

I didn’t want to leave here but on the other hand, I didn’t like having to live with that constant, “can I really go outside? Can I go downtown? Can I go to San Jose? Will I have anything when I get back? Or can I sleep tonight?” I mean, it wasn’t fun.

I don’t know, things might have gotten better, I don’t know. But my feelings always have a little edge on it when I’m down here. Always kind of looking around feeling the vibes. So, I don’t know. I’ve heard other people, local people, speak in meetings and groups about how they feel about all the foreigners living here and most always they feel positive about it.

I’m not saying it’s bad. It’s just way different from what I came to live with. I’m sure I share some values that other people have from outside, I’m sure I must. But not heartfelt things I don’t think, maybe not, maybe so. I haven’t tried to analyze it a lot. I mean people can say things to you but if you see how they are actually living… I don’t know.

Of course, the other big thing is farms being broken up into lots. It’s just another way for deforestation to happen. So what we’ve had here is slow, progressive deforestation ever since the road came in.

It wasn’t cattle farms in this case, it was house lots. As you see this bushy overgrown place, I’ve tried to cut as few trees as possible.

They end up falling down anyway.