“Again, I don’t think you read my comment.
Simon James

Isn’t David going to great lengths to follow reason-based trails of evidence? Not sure that constitutes “hand waving” And how is it you’re not hand waving “hard problem”? (Not that there’s anything wrong with either if true).

Again even if we grant consciousness to bivalves through some deeper level of quantum processes we don’t yet understand and the little guys are highly sensitive beings it would be ‘hyper limited and very present’ and would constitute limited (if any) suffering compared to a mammal.

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