Wonder Woman vs Men of the Internet
Carmichael "TheColfud"
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Hey Carmichael, I found the article interesting. I have a few counter arguments I’d like to make.

I googled sexism & sexist, this is what I got {relating to or characterized by prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, TYPICALLY AGAINST WOMEN, on the basis of sex.} & {Sexism can affect either gender, but it is particularly documented as affecting WOMEN and GIRLS. It has been linked to STEREOTYPES and GENDER ROLES}.

Just because it is “typical” or “more likely” does not mean it cannot or does not happen to white men either. In fact, there are several individuals at my university who have completely shut down my thoughts and opinions because I am a white male. That seems unfair. Why should I suffer for my forefathers’ sins?

I agree that white men certainly have had the benefit in the large majority of these interactions, that doesn’t give people the right to discriminate in the other direction. We are in a society that is trying to progress towards equality, and that means either all of us can discriminate or none of us. And I think we both would prefer the latter.

just like how a white person can’t —“shouldn’t” call a POC racist. It’s not our place or privilege.

Again, this is one-sided. What if a POC is being racist? We should be able to call them out just like anyone else who is being racist, regardless of the individual’s race. Shutting down criticisms of people doing the same wrong actions gives people a pass to do something and get away with it because of their race, which really is the opposite of what we’re trying to achieve here.

As a white male, I have to point out that another white male shouldn’t broadcast or speak out negatively against something such as an event for an oppressed, ignored, & mistreated groups of people, which are usually oppressed, ignored, & mistreated by men.

If it is wrongly excluding other groups or doing something immoral or unethical, why can’t we? This is the same issue as the one I discussed in the previous paragraph.

The world isn’t ready for men to call out women for being sexist or whites for calling out POC for being racist. They might be hypocritical at times where women hate on men for being men or POC hate on whites for being white, but you can’t do anything about that except, accept that’s what our ancestors have done to the world we live in, and prove by action and voice that they have the right to be mad at white males.

Now this is just ludicrous, to be frank. Like I said in my first response, why should I be punished for the sins of others? The world has always been “ready” for people to be called out on their BS, regardless of gender, race, etc. We cannot give any one group a pass. This defeats the purpose of working towards equality. And I realize the argument is often about equity, not equality. However, I ask this: do you foresee any one group being okay with this? The cycle will continue where equity will end up making another group feel left out as another group enjoys benefits that the others cannot have due to their history.

Why should I have to pay for my ancestors' crimes? I know for a fact that you are German, and I would claim that it’s highly unfair for someone to say “you should feel sorry because the German Nazi Party murdered millions of Jews”. This is an unfair association.

Now, say you are secretly a supporter of these actions (don’t worry, I know you’re not). I don’t know that because you’ve never vocalized this to me. As far as I know, you agree that it was awful, like any other rational human being. How am I supposed to claim that you should feel guilty because of another’s actions? It wasn’t your fault and we know that you, as a person, find those actions despicable. You’re even trying to work towards making sure other groups aren’t oppressed. Why should you have to feel bad or be subjected to hypocrisy because someone else who happens to share your skin color did something?

They have the right to be mad at the actions of the past, but that does not give them the right to take out that anger on individuals who not did not commit those actions themselves! Yes, I know racism and sexism are alive and well, I witness it myself. But we cannot group everyone together. That’s exactly what white men did in the past and we are still trying to recover from that mistake. We cannot make the same mistakes again. We need to think critically about this. We cannot claim every white male was bad because of their ancestors. It’s the same principle as claiming every Muslim is bad because there are certain groups that kill in the name of Islam. This is wrong.

That includes employment, “men can’t work the one night at the theater” is a man’s conscious or unconscious way of bringing down the more positive, but still backhanded idea that “a facility can be run by women even if it’s just for one night.”

Now, I agree that the Drafthouse has every right to host an event like this, similar to your examples of “Ladies' Night” and things of that sort. However, I disagree that they should be allowed to also keep people of certain genders from working that shift. That is actually considered a discriminatory workplace and is illegal. I understand the nuances and the fact that this is a one night event, but some people really need to work as much as they can to get by and you’re denying them this option in the name of a “fun night”. Some people live paycheck to paycheck and you think this is fair to them?

This would be the same for a “men’s night” as well. Women shouldn’t be disbarred from working that night due to the event. That event is about customers, not staff.

just as much as whites can’t shit on POC and the things they want to celebrate without whites

That just goes for any group or person shitting on another group or person who wants to celebrate something sans another group. That is a private right. This I can agree on. So here’s a dangerous thought though: what if a group of white people wanted to celebrate something without any POC? Is that any different from the reverse? I understand how it definitely looks from the outside and we probably couldn’t even think of a non-racist event that would allow for this kind of selective attendance. However, how is this any different from one racial group excluding another racial group from an event?

I realize that some events that come to mind could be about certain events or history pertaining to that race, but why shouldn’t a person from another race be allowed to attend this? Why is it seen as an intrusion? Why not take this opportunity to be welcoming and educate that person about what you’re celebrating? More education and interaction produces more understanding. More understanding brings more empathy. More empathy brings more friendship.

IN CONCLUSION:

I honestly become flabbergasted when I see these arguments. I understand where it’s coming from and I can very clearly follow the train of thought that leads to this, but I have one main issue: this way of thinking and interacting with others only furthers the divide between genders and races.

It makes us look at the line between these groups and bold it, saying “yes, this is definitely where the line is”. We should be blurring the line, making it harder for us to see why one person may be so different that we can disconnect from them or make them feel like they should feel bad or worse. If we truly want to continue as a society, we need to be willing to share everything, including culture. We’re running out of space to live in our own little bubbles, and we need to start working on pushing our bubbles together to make one big human bubble where everything is shared.

I honestly believe the culture in the US is too hyper focused on being an individual. We all need to have something that makes us “different” but I think this thinking is causing us to focus on differences too much and it’s causing us to lose the ability to empathise.

We need to start looking for similarities. We usually have friends who are similar to us in some way, that’s how we determine whether we really like someone or not. If you disagreed with someone on everything, you’d probably find it hard to relate to them. And I bet if you start looking for those similarities instead, you’ll find that most of us have a lot of common ground and we can use that common ground to repair and rebuild our relationships with each other as people of this planet.

Counter rant over.

I hope this finds you well, Carmichael! I really enjoy the work you do at Corridor Digital and I appreciate you voicing your thoughts on this situation.