IOTA is currently centralized in the form it is released in. That is a fact and I am not moving the goalposts anywhere.
Later, the founder argued that you can disable the centralization by manually replacing the Coordinator logic with RWMC-logic, so that your own implementation of IOTA could be decentralized. But that is not a valid alternative to users since it would make their implementation very insecure. That’s like trying to win an argument about whether or not you can fly, by saying that you could jump out of an airplane.