Public speaking is a fear greater than death, many say. There is so much fear tied up with being misunderstood, with our words and hearts being taken out of context. Public speaking today also means speaking online as well as to a crowd face-to-face. I’m so grateful that in, through, and with the discomfort of public speaking, my friend Jocelyn is bringing her voice to worries of racism, misogyny, violence, contempt, being spoken-for, and also to the discomfort of trying to raise one’s voice to begin with — which I think many of us fear. I know that I do. Thanks for this conversation, Joce.