Joanna Newsom performs at the Orpheum Theatre on Sunday, December 6th, 2015. Photo: digboston (Ben Stas)

Talking Joanna Newsom’s Divers, tesserae, growing up with harps around, and more… with A Hopeless Endeavor Podcast

Michael Hicks
2 min readAug 17, 2023

Recently, a bottle of water and a microphone and me had a metaphorical ramble with the friendly co-hosts of A Hopeless Endeavor: A Joanna Newsom Podcast! It was a pleasure to spend some time with Nikki Fortier and Sam Morgan, who’ve been exploring Divers, line by line, over the last year and change. Be sure to give their series a listen, especially if there’s a song in particular you’ve been wrestling with!

Our conversation ran the gamut… I don’t want to spoil the listening, so I’ll just invite you to check it out if you’re curious.

Here are the links to the first episode…

And here’s part 2:

In addition to talking a little about my writing process, we touched on some of these topics:

  • some overarching themes in Divers
  • the interplay between Christian and Greek myths
  • ways of reading Joyce’s Finnegans Wake
  • the trickiness of writing about Newsom’s newest songs
  • random ideas from the cutting room floor

I’m on unfamiliar territory with nouveau-radio, but Sam and Nikki have an infectious energy and I had a lot of fun experimenting with the looser format and back-and-forth it provides. And if you’ve ever read my articles and thought — “Where in the heck are we going with this?!” — then maybe it’ll provide a little glimpse into why.

Hope you enjoy.

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