I meet with a group of guys and we’ve discussed this a few times. This verse seems to shed some light on the subject. We call it “Jesus was plan A”.
2nd Timothy 1:9
He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
“Before time began”. Kind of blows my mind a bit.