Weekly Journal (7)
Weekly Journal 7
There are a few similarities between the first and last books of the Iliad, although these similarities were relatively minor in my opinion. The situations were different. At the beginning of the story, resources within the Achaean camp were thin. Both Achilles and Agamemnon got into what I would describe as a power dispute over one of the most valuable resources including Breseis, within the Achaean camp. The argument persists because Agamemnon feels that he is entitled to Breseis after they are forced to send Chryseis to her father to get rid of the plague on the Achaean camp. Achilles disagrees and a battle of Ego’s is ignited. This time, although the soldiers are not as prevalent as Agamemnon or Achilles, Menelaus and Antiochus dispute over Antiochus cheating in the chariot race for Patroclus. The theme of two overly competitive warriors disputing over what they feel entitled to, reoccurs in the final book. Unlike Achilles and Agamemnon, Menelaus and Antiochus are able to talk things out. Perhaps that speaks to the severity of the situation that the Achaean camp was in before they defeated Hector and the Trojans. After the war finished, the resources were more plentiful. Another common theme was the length that parents will go to in order to safely retrieve their children. In book 1, the Achaean camp takes Chryseis. Her father, Chryses begs Agamemnon to return her and even offers a huge ransom for her safe return. This can be compared to the scene in book 24, when King Priam goes to Achilles tent and begs for the return of Hector’s body and offers a large amount of gifts in exchange. The themes are similar but the way the scenarios played out were completely different. Achilles and Agamemnon battled over the prize of battle, which took the form of Breseis, while Menelaus and Antiochus battled over whom cheated or not, just as competitive warriors would. Chryses was searching for his daughter who was living. Priam was searching for his son, whom he knew had fallen to the spear of Achilles. I have always heard the phrase “history repeats itself” and this is the case in the Iliad. Though the situations were not identical, they were very similar. With that being said, the mood of the two books is different. When reading the first book, our relationships with the characters are forming but not clear. In book 24, we have already built relationships with the characters. No matter the side that the reader supported, the ending is bitter sweet. Those supporting the Achaean side are sad that Patroclus was killed, yet ecstatic that Achilles managed to kill slay Hector. Those in favor of the Trojans are upset that Hector was killed, but relieved that their King Priam managed to retrieve his corpse from the Achilles tent.
I found it very interesting that we were asked if any of our mother’s have ever shown us their breast in an attempt to persuade our actions. The fact that Hecuba did that to Hector is beyond me. I am sure he was not serious, but he also mentioned that it may be culturally acceptable to someone and I just wanted to know what culture accepts that. While I have heard cases of some extreme cases of individuals having relations with their stepchildren or distant family members, but I have never heard of a culture that is pro-incest.
I also found it interesting when we briefly spoke about the son Orestes of Agamemnon. I had a childhood friend named Orestes, who quite obviously was born in Greece. His story is very interesting, and the fact that he killed his mother resonated with me. My childhood friend named Orestes lived at home with his single mother, so when I heard his story I could not help but think about that happening in real life. Not that he would ever actually do that, but I more wondered why you would name a child after someone that killed his or her mother.
Exam Tuesday October 11
- 4 Questions (pick 3)
- ‘Content Mastery’ via Networked Information
o What do I know about the subject (Characters, Books, Themes (Gender, Heroism), Events).
o Though it does not have to be selected, character is easiest. Create Spider Chart containing association:
· Troy (Hector’s home city)
· Returns to battle with Paris, and duels Ajax in single combat. He is wounded and Zeus ends the battle on book 7
· When Patroclus pursues the Trojans, he flees at first. However, with the backing of Apollo he decides to turn and fight. He manages to kill Patroclus after Apollo wounds him in book 16
· Manages to steal the armor of Achilles off of the body of Patroclus in book
· Challenges Achilles despite Apollo’s warning, and is forced to be saved by Apollo in book 20
· Is chased by Achilles 3x around the walls of troy but decides to stop as he falls for Athena’s trick. He throws his spear at Achilles but misses. He then falls victim to a perfectly timed spear throw by Achilles in book 22
o Helen (Relationship with Hector, resident of Troy)
§ Leads king Priam to the tent of Achilles, but later warns him that it is not smart to sleep with near the enemy in book 24
§ Goes to retrieve the body of Hector, and later sneaks out of the Achaean camp in book 24
o Paris (Trojan)
§ Judgment of Paris
§ Alexandros (His other name)
§ Challenges the Achaean camp to single combat Menelaus accepts (Duel/ whisked away by Aphrodite) despite challenging him) Book 3
§ Kills Achilles (not in Iliad)
§ Duels with Paris in book 3 but the battle ends quickly in book 3.
§ Kills Euphorbus over trying to take the body of Patroclus in book 17.
§ Sends a plague on Achaean camp in book 1
§ Goes to the Trojan side under orders of Zeus, and gives them the strength to fight in book 15
§ Steps in and prevents Patroclus from invading the gates of Troy. He convinces Hector to charge Patroclus in response. He wounds Patroclus in order for Hector to slay him in book 16.
§ Saves Hector from Achilles in book 20
o Aphrodite (Trojan Side)
§ Saves Paris in his battle with Menelaus in book 3
§ Alerts Athena about the Achaeans attacking Troy in book 2
§ Hera decides to distract Zeus. She goes to Aphrodite and uses her wit to get a band that can cause sexual madness. She also visits sleep and bribes him with marriage to make Zeus fall asleep, to which he complies. Once Zeus in sleeping, she calls Poseidon in book 14.
§ Defeats Atremis in book 21
§ Makes Achilles new armor in book 18
§ Saves Achilles from Xanthus river by setting fire to the grass and boiling it in book 21
§ Is wounded by Pandarus. Prays to Athena who gives him super strength. He then goes into a deep range and wounds many soldiers including the great Ares (book 5)
§ Goes to spy on the Trojan camp with Odysseus and kills multiple soldiers including Rhesus. They take his horse and chariot and ride back to the Achaean camp.
§ Hurls a Spear at Hector, but later gets shot by Paris in book 11
§ Tells Odysseus not to let the Achaeans attack Troy in book 2
§ Under the orders of Zeus, Athena goes to the battlefield disguised as a Trojan soldier and convinces Pandarus to shoot Menelaus but she deflects the arrow so it only wounds him and does not kill him.
§ . In book 6, she withdraws orders to Diomedes and assists him in driving the divine chariot towards Ares.
§ Athena defeats Ares and Aphrodite in book 21
o Techoscopia (“Views from the wall”)
§ Book 3
· Andromache (Hector’s wife)
o Receives a visit from Hector in book 6
· Priam (Hector’s father)
o Dueled Hector and ended in draw in book 7
o Embassy book 9
o Goes to assist Menelaus in protecting the body of Patroclus in book 17
o Often Neutral
o Ends plague on Achaeans because of pleas from Hera and Thetis in book 1
o Sends a false dream in the form of Nestor to persuade Agamemnon to attack Troy in book 2
o Sends Athena to rekindle battle in book 4
o Stops the battle of Hector and Ajax in book 7
o Weighs the fates of Troy on the Achaea scale and the Achaean side sank in book 8
o Falls victim to Hera in book 14.
o Sends Iris to Tell Poseidon to leave the battle field, and sends Apollo to gives the Trojans more strength in book 15
o The battle gets crazy and he prevents Teucer from shooting Hector in book 15
o Zeus receives Achilles prayer for Patroclus but only grants one wish (the ships) in book 16.
o Ponders whether saving Sarpedon would be a good idea but soon decides not to under the influences of Hera. In response he decides to kill Patroclus in book 16
o Zeus places both Hector and Achilles’ fates on the scale and Hectors falls in book 22
· Patroclus (Killed by Hector)
o Sitting with Achilles in his tent as the Embassy approaches in book 9
o Begs Achilles to join battle as it ensues near the ships. Achilles agrees so long as he does not pursue the Trojans to the Walls of Troy. Achilles Agrees and gives him the amour he had. He spears and kills Sarpedon and pursues Hector to the gates of Troy in book 16
o Victorious in battle and captures Breseis. Feels insulted that Agamemnon decides to take her from him. Withdraws himself from battle
o Agrees to give Patroclus his armor under the conditions they agreed to In book 16
o Gets word of Patroclus’ death from Antiochus, and begins to enter a deep rage in book 18
o Begins his onslaught of the Trojans and chases them to the Xanthus river. He begins to quarrel with the river but is saved by Hephaestus in book 21
o Chases Hector around the walls of troy 3x before he finally catch him. With a perfectly timed spear throw, he is able to hit Hector in the weak part of his former armor, nearly killing him. He then attaches Hector to the back of his chariot and rides off in book 22
o He decides to host a competition among soldiers in book 23
o Achilles pities the desires of Priam and agrees to return Hector’s body in book 24
o Supports the Achaeans once Zeus takes a leave from a battlefield. He visits in the form of Calchas, and attempts to motivate the Achaean troops. To his dismay, his grandson (Amphimachus) is killed. To respond, he gives Idomeneus super raging strength in book 13
o Under the clearance of Hera, Poseidon steers the Achaeans to attack the Trojans, and they manage to injure Hector and kill many Trojans in book 14.
o Convinces the Achaean camp not to attack Troy in book 2
o Part of the Embassy in book 9
o Goes to spy on the Trojan camp with Diomedes and kills multiple soldiers including Rhesus. They take his horse and chariot and ride back to the Achaean camp.
o Makes an appeal to Zeus to end suffering 12 days after the end of the plague in book 1
o Acknowledges that Achilles needs new armor and calls upon Hephaestus to make said armor in book 18
o Promises to watch over the body of Patroclus in book 19
o Kidnaps Chyrseis in book 1
o Sends Embassy to retrieve Achilles in book 9
o Wounded by Coon as he tried to avenge his brother, and has to leave the battlefield in book 11
o Reconciles with Achilles and returns Breseis along with gifts in book 19
1. Identify what you know
2. Identify what you do not know
3. Figure out what you do not know that you do not know
Be able to
-Cite relevant information
-Provide detail behind that relevant information
“Identify as many places in the Iliad, where Ajax shows up and talk about his relationship to the themes of the work”
-Cite relevant information pertaining to the question
-Ajax is part of the embassy to Achilles
-Helps defend body of Patroclus
-Battles Hector into a draw
-Go into detail about information
-Ajax is the prominent warrior out the three individuals in the embassy alongside Odysseus and Phoenix
-Once Achilles decides to launch a full-scale attack on the Trojan camp
- The two toss spears with no success and decide to draw lances. Ajax manages to draw Hectors blood and but Zeus calls off the battle.
The Odyssey Books 1 and 2 (October 12th)
It is interesting tp shift gears from one epic to another. To get right into the mix, I have a general question. Why is it that the gods always visit individuals in the form of someone or something other than themselves? It happened all throughout the Iliad and it just happened again as Athena visit Telemachus in the form of Mentes. Why can’t they just appear in their natural form?
Also, how did Odysseus get stuck on the island Ogygia? I remember the Simpsons episode that mirrored the Odyssey. In that episode, Marge Simpson’s ugly sisters with the beautiful signing voices played the character who I now believe was the goddess Calypso. Did Odysseus get marooned on that island because Calypso’s singing voice attracted to it?
I can see how some might say that book 24 of the Iliad mirrors book 1 of the Odyssey, though in my opinion, that is a bit of a stretch. In book 24 of the Iliad, Hermes visits King Priam and alerts him that sleeping in Achilles tent is not a good idea. Priam takes that advices and manages to do something (steal Hector’s body) that benefits not only him but everyone within the walls of Troy and the Trojan Army. In book 1, Athena visits Telemachus and alerts him of the continuous life of his father Odysseus. Although the messages were totally different, the scenarios or actions taken by the gods were similar. The suffering and distress of Penelope over Odysseus in book 1 can be compared to the feeling that Andromache felt after losing Hector. Though these comparsion may not be the most righteous comparison, they highlight in my opinion, the very degree that the two books are related. At first glance nothing seems common but once genuine thought is put into the subject, there are minor similarities that can be picked out within the two books.
The word hereoic is not the right word for Telemachus in my opinion. I would use the word motivated. After his conversation with Athena, I think he got a little bit pumped up. His excitement came from the fact that he no longer had to think down upon his father Achilles, whom he did not even believe was actually his father. In fact, he is so motivated that he disrespects his mother for continuously greiving. “My mother, why do you……lose his day of homecoming” (OD.1.346–354). I don feel as thoug he has any right to speak to his mother that way. What can be considered heroic is the fact that he decided to stand up for his mother and try to get the suitors out that had taken over his father’s estate. But If feel he did that because of his burning desire to encounter his father Odysseus. He didn’t actually do it because he cared about his mother’s well being (or at least that is the vibe that I get).
Penelope is very similar to the women in the Iliad. She compares to Andromache because she has/had a husband out in battle, while she raised their son at home alone. Andromache had Hector out at battle while she raised their son alone. She is also similar to Hera, in the sense that they are both strategic and play to what they know best. In the Iliad, Hera tricks both Aphrodite and Hypnos into assisting her with the hypnotizing of Zeus. She played to her strengths and exploited everyone. Penelope is playing a mindtrick on all the suitors by secretly undoing her knitting progress, despite telling them that one day she will be available to marry. Though some are suspicious, I think that she is both smart and brave so far.