Jere Krischel
Jul 22, 2017 · 3 min read

I just did talk about excluding foreign Christians, Jews, and Buddhists with regressive homophobic beliefs. You might want to re-read what you quoted.

There are far more homophobic Christians already in America than homophobic Muslims in America.

Are you talking percentage wise, or absolute numbers? And have any homophobic Christians in your lifetime executed any sort of terror attack against homosexuals like a sharia believing muslim did in Orlando last year?

If some of those ideas — if most of those ideas — happen to be ideas more commonly held by right-wingers, that’s their problem, not the problem of academia.

Just as reasonable to imagine if most of those ideas happen to be ideas more commonly held by left-wingers, that’s their problem. And considering the dominance of left-wingers in academia, it is explicitly a problem of academia.

You seem like a hate-monger, and you seem like you’re afraid of Muslims. I’m not afraid of letting Muslims into the United States. You are afraid of that.

Well, I have no hate for muslims — in fact I have a great deal of sympathy for them, as they are the greatest victims of Islam and sharia. And for muslims who will disavow sharia law (or at least the parts of it where we both agree, it is regressive, homophobic, misogynistic and bigoted), I’d be happy to welcome them.

Now, as for being afraid of welcoming people who as part of their religious belief, not only wish death upon my gay friends and relatives, but implicitly or explicitly support those practices, yes, I’m afraid of importing that kind of culture. The current troubles in Europe are a testament to the kind of problems that can be caused, and as a family man, who appreciates community, I do fear for the damage sharia can do to our country. Despite my fears, though, I have the courage to stand up against sharia, and advocate for policies I believe will protect gays, women, and apostates.

I didn’t call you illogical.

I accept your apology, thank you :)

there is no hypocrisy when you say it is immoral to exclude based on race yet can be ethically sound to exclude bad ideas from a conversation.

Ah, so you only thought my second example was inapposite — you agree that race-based exclusion, like the explicit exclusion of white people on campus that Mr. Weinstein opposed, is immoral.

Perhaps we agree more than you thought :)

Of course I realize it applies to people I don’t clearly see as being racist and bigoted.

Excellent. So you’re at least open to the fact that Mr. Weinstein’s detractors are racist and bigoted. It’s a good start.

Mr. Weinstein could, in fact, be racist. I do not know, and neither do you.

Actually, I believe I have pretty good reason to believe Mr. Weinstein isn’t a racist, but this begs the question, which I’ll put to you — how do you “know” someone is a racist?

Three possible answers, although I’m sure there are more:

  1. Someone advocates for disparate treatment of people based on their race;
  2. Someone attributes certain non-phenotypic characteristics to racial background;
  3. Someone attributes certain experiences to only people of a certain racial background.

I’d be interested to understand what would clear up Mr. Weintstein’s potential racism for you.

can still be unwittingly racist.

And there it is — you’re actually saying something new here, that I didn’t understand before. You think people can *be* racist, without *being* racist. That is, their actions might seem “racist” to you, even if internally, they never used any sort of racial filter to come to that action.

I’m not sure if there is a logical and reasoned argument for “unwitting racism”, since racism is a thought process that requires thinking. Put another way, a meteor that lands on a primarily African-American neighborhood cannot be characterized as an “unwitting racist”, even though its impact (pun intended) is definitely racist.

I’d be interested in hearing how you defend the idea of “unwitting racism”, though. Despite thinking of you as hypocritical, illogical, unreasoned, and misguided, you’ve been as polite as I could ask for, and I do appreciate the conversation :)

Jere Krischel

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Socially liberal, fiscally conservative, born again carnivore, musician, firearms instructor and skeptical civil rights activist.

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