Week 3!

Thursday, 9/7 (in class, 11am-12:30pm) Lord knows I flunked the mess outta that quiz.

The men who go supplicate to Achilleus use bribes (long list of women and lands he could have), his sense of pity (your friends and comrades are out there dying!), his sense of pride (you will literally have no “glory” and everyone will think you’re trash), and his fears (if you don’t help, the Trojans will blow every Greek thing up).

afortiori argument: i.e. blood prize (used by Ajax), trying to take on the mindset of a god as a mortal?

Making connections between your readings and your life (yes! finally!):

  • engaging in self-awareness: -emotional states -motivation -strengths/weaknesses -cognitive states -impact you have on others
  • your brain processes fiction as if you were actually inside the story
  • empathy- related to the theory of mind (your conjecture of how other people are feeling and processing the world)
  • bibliotherapy- therapy from reading books

Why am I the kind of person who thinks Achilles should have gone back to war/ is indecisive about it? Ummmm… I said he should’ve gone primarily because a value that I live by is forgiveness and loving your enemies. However, I became more indecisive as I thought about how practical it was and if it’s always the best option to humble yourself when you were wronged. Sometimes, some people feel as though it’s better to let someone know you can’t be walked all over, and I can’t really say that’s a wrong feeling.

I think the light bulb is juuuust starting to turn on. I’m kind of seeing what Dr. S is trying to get us to do and how he wants us to think a lot deeper about these fictional stories, what they can do for us, and how it can help us grow as individuals.

ate- “a divine madness came over me,” basically an excuse to act a fool

Friday, 9/8 (in Founder’s, 11a-12:15p) I got really excited about our last class because (1) we were finally getting into the question I asked in my very first journal: “What is the necessity of this information in my life right now?” and (2) I finally got used to the plot and the characters and was starting to get a handle on reading in that old type of language… actually understood the Iliad! However, with that second point I made, I was quickly discouraged again when I had to take that quiz. I originally was like “Quiz? Oh yeah I’ve got this! I actually read so I know the plot!” but then Dr. S starts reading the questions off, and my mind goes blank. I’m fully aware these characters, I remember reading about them, but I couldn’t remember any names or spellings in the moment. Gosh man, I was so proud about my extra credit and my good grade in the class and getting into Greek Lit… but I’m pretty sure I got like a 30% on that quiz. My friend Chim said maybe it was because I stayed up all night reading book 8 and 9 and so then I didn’t retain any information. I think he might be right. No more all-nighters. At least for THIS class. I’ll just put this class’s work at the top of my priority list so I can do good journals AND get good grades on these quizzes. I want to do well so bad… I hated every English class I’ve ever taken (including the one I’m taking now), but I actually see myself enjoying this class. God please help me succeed *prayer hands emoji*.

Notes as I read:

  • “For the sacrifices of Hektor have stirred his heart more than ours have.” (10.46) Does this mean that for gods like Zeus, that don’t particularly have any beef with any of the mortals, they base their involvement or prayer answers on the sacrifices they make? How much influence on the gods do the sacrifices really have?
  • “…Agamemnon, whom beyond others Zeus has involved in hard work forever.” (10.89) Someone sounds a little… salty… in their feelings…
  • “Thrasymedes the stubborn in battle…” lol
  • 10.266–10.270… ?

I wonder if we need to remember everyone’s father. I know son of Atreus, son of Tydeus, son of Phyleus…

Monday, 9/11 (Starbucks, 11a-1p)

  • “and moved his knees rapidly to run away” (10.358) this visualization made me laugh out loud

Make a list of all the decisions Agamemnon has made so far in the Iliad. Rank each decision on a scale of 1–10 (ten being the “best” decision and 1 being the “worst” decision). Explain your reasoning for each ranking.

  1. To take Chryses daughter andback but then take Achilleus’s girl. (3) This was a PRETTY bad decision. This caused the nine-day plague from Apollo and in turn, many casualties on the Achaian side. This what made Achilleus eventually leave, which is probably why the Achaians haven’t been as triumphant. The outcome may have been a lot different if Achilleus was still fighting.
  2. When his brother Menelaos gets injured, he quickly comes to his aid and calls the healer to heal him. (8) This was a good decision, but also one naturally expected of him.
  3. He convinces Menelaos he’s no match for Hector when Hector poses the challenge to duel. (7) In this, Ajax gets chosen to fight and almost wins, before Apollo sweeps up Hector. They eventually come to a truce, which stops the fighting for the day, because Zeus liked both Ajax and Hector. If it was Meneloas, it may not have been the same result and the fighting may have continued or Hector may have been dead.
  4. To call back Achilleus. (2) He sent other people to do this for him when it was really beef between him and another great man; he should’ve done it himself. I don’t think the way he went about it was a wise choice and maybe Achilleus would be more willing if he was honest with him and more sincere.

Compared to Diomedes in Book 5 does Agamemnon seem more or less “heroic” in battle? Be specific in your comparisons.

Agamemnon actually seems more heroic in my opinion because Diomedes gets so much assistance from Athene that it was probably much easier for him to kill so many. Diomedes got strength from her, super-vision from her, and also advice from her to be successful in battle. Agamemnon on the other hand, was just angry and decided to kill everyone. The gods didn’t intervene too much, so I can give him more credit.

Tuesday, 9/12 (class, 11a-12:30p) I am literally so exhausted. I’ll just say, it’s been a long morning and I hope I stay awake in class today

prosopopoeia- “face-making” (254–258) speaking in another persona for credibility

ekphrasis- a visual description of a physical artifact

Grogon- (Medusa is in this category) a woman with physical snake parts that can turn you to stone

apotrophaic- “that which turns away” such as an eyeball, or Medusa, or a crucifix

(in Founders, 5p-7p)

List all of the gods so far who have participated in the Trojan War. Whose side do they fight for? Why? Wherever possible explain how you know their motives for supporting one side against the other.

Zeus- he seems to be easily swayed by the majority, and doesn’t seem to have any particular preference; he seems to just get a kick out of watching the fight continue. Anytime he weighed them on the scale and one person had the upper hand, he would try to even it out.

Athene- she has a soft spot for Paris because he favored he over Aphrodite

Iris- this is the messenger of the gods, I don’t believe she has a particular side that she favored, she was just used by Zeus to get messages across

Hera- she’s on the Achaian side because of what Paris did to her with the golden apple after the wedding

Poseidon- helps the Greeks, he seems to just want to meddle, even though Zeus says not to

Apollo- causes the 9 day plague on the Achaians, he was just listening to Chryses and respecting his prayer

Aphrodite- she has a Trojan son so she helps him when he’s hurt

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