Crash Override Network and Robert Marmolejo: How an Online Abuse Helpline May Have Enabled Sexual Harassment
The “Zoe Post” was a lengthy journal entry detailing the relationship between Zoe Quinn and Eron Gjoni, uploaded to the internet by Gjoni after he discovered that Quinn had engaged in multiple affairs. In this journal entry, Zoe Quinn was implicated in performing sexual favors in exchange for positive coverage of her indie video game title Depression Quest. For gamers, this was a confirmation of what they had suspected for years: there is a very real problem with journalistic corruption in the video game industry. This event precipitated the heated, years-long cultural and political debate known as #GamerGate, a controversy that has seen threats exchanged, friendships destroyed and the cultural landscape of an entire hobby irreversibly altered.
Because the blog post detailing Zoe’s affairs became Ground Zero for #GamerGate, Zoe became the target of much scrutiny and verbal abuse from gamers who saw her as the embodiment of unfair games media practices. Zoe, for her part, sought to utilize this experience as a “woman dealing with online harassment”. She created Crash Override Network(CON), an online support group for victims of wide-scale internet abuse. The CON website describes itself as “a crisis helpline, advocacy group and resource center for people who are experiencing online abuse”. However, recent events cast a pall over everything which Zoe Quinn and Crash Override Network have achieved in the wake of #GamerGate.
Many video game journalists, indie game developers and anonymous internet posters provided moral and financial support for Zoe Quinn during her ensuing legal battle with Eron Gjoni. Invariably, many of these people were vocally against #GamerGate, which they saw as an organized harassment campaign which Gjoni had baited into attacking Quinn. Using private chatrooms to communicate, they formed a community which eventually came to be called “anti-#GamerGate”. It was from this community that Quinn recruited staff for her Crash Override Network.
One of the people who Quinn recruited as volunteer staff for her new harassment support network was Robert Marmolejo, a member of the YouTuber atheist community who regularly hosted his own podcast. Formerly known on twitter as @UnseenPerfidy, Marmolejo was extremely performative in his attacks against #GamerGate. He regularly characterized anyone that participated in the twitter hashtag as a serial abuser.
Although it was not publicly disclosed, Marmolejo was eventually enlisted by Zoe Quinn and entrusted with jointly operating the Crash Override Network’s various social media accounts. This was revealed to the author through a leaked chatlog from one of CON’s Skype meetings, which can be viewed in full at the end of this article.
As a member of Crash Override Network’s staff, Marmolejo was tasked with communicating and counseling victims of online abuse. However, Marmolejo may have abused the trust and private information of his clients to approach them and attempt to solicit sex. Israel ‘Izzy’ Galvez (@iglvzx), another staff member of Crash Override Network, has written that ‘over 20 women have come forward to reveal that Marmolejo sexually harassed them’.
Alarmingly, some of the victims have indicated hesitation to speak out about the harassment they received from Marmolejo due to his reputation as being a “popular male feminist”.
If these accusations prove to be true, they will regrettably not be the first instance of a man adopting the rhetoric of progressive politics and women’s representation in order to further their own sexual agenda. Jian Ghomeshi, Hugo Schwyzer, Charles Clymer, Devin Faraci, and Matt Hickey have been similarly indicted.
For my part, as someone who has been mistakenly accused of harassment by anti-#GamerGate and who has sometimes been the target of harassment by their well-meaning supporters, I wonder what impact Marmolejo’s actions will have — if any — on Zoe Quinn’s future prospects as a leader in online abuse prevention.
The following is a leaked Skype chatlog from Crash Override Network:
[1/5/2015 1:38:48 AM] Dan Olson: Who’s Laurelai Bailey?
[1/5/2015 1:39:08 AM] Rob/UnseenPerfidy: Really bad person
[1/5/2015 1:39:24 AM] Dan Olson: Wake up to a bunch of shitheads accusing us of conspiring and I’ve never head of the person before.
[1/5/2015 1:39:35 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: she’s known for leaking the logs that got lulzsec arrested, mostly
[1/5/2015 1:39:44 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: conspiring how?
[1/5/2015 1:40:11 AM] Dan Olson: that the whole article was a honeypot
[1/5/2015 1:40:24 AM] Athena Hollow: they are on drugs.
[1/5/2015 1:40:27 AM] Athena Hollow: they have to be.
[1/5/2015 1:40:33 AM] Athena Hollow: people can’t be this fucking thick.
[1/5/2015 1:41:26 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): All that’s left in GG are the people with their own agendas (Milo, Mike C, Ralph, etc) and conspiracy nuts
[1/5/2015 1:42:34 AM] Dan Olson: hahahaha, one of the links was to the posting on /r/anonymous (which could constitute brigading and vote manipulation, but I’ll ignore that) where the twop two replies are “I mean, I hate SJW and their nonsense, but I’m okay with pedo honeypots.” and “This is another link I saw and thought of posting . . . then decided that probably no one cares.”
[1/5/2015 1:43:22 AM] Athena Hollow: hhaha wow
[1/5/2015 3:02:06 AM] Peter Coffin: wow
[1/5/2015 3:51:22 AM] Tesseract: wait, apparently this classic image is from rooshvforum http://i.imgur.com/SEuxG2y.png
[1/5/2015 3:51:40 AM] Tesseract: so he was fucking two posters down from “hotwheels” and has around 4100 posts iirc
[1/5/2015 3:51:45 AM] Tesseract: how the hell did we not know this before
[1/5/2015 3:52:15 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[1/5/2015 3:52:26 AM] Tesseract: oh wait it says 4100 in the image
[1/5/2015 3:52:48 AM] Athena Hollow: so 4100 in august so probably way more now
[1/5/2015 3:52:56 AM] Athena Hollow: “Joined: Aug 2011”
[1/5/2015 3:52:59 AM] Tesseract: am I gonna have to weed through 4100 juicebro posts
[1/5/2015 3:53:01 AM] Athena Hollow: there’s bound to be some shit
[1/5/2015 3:53:04 AM] Athena Hollow: godddddddddd
[1/5/2015 3:53:10 AM] Athena Hollow: Tess, I do not fucking envy you.
[1/5/2015 3:53:11 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[1/5/2015 3:53:17 AM] Tesseract: kill me
[1/5/2015 4:14:45 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): (plans arranged marriage between a Gater and Tess)
[1/5/2015 4:30:26 AM] SF: @saulheartsrandi Yet another Saul account followed me. At least one previous one has been suspended.
[1/5/2015 4:31:39 AM] SF: He’s also messaging @Safety and the CEO of Twitter offering a deal where he stops making alts if he gets his account back.
[1/5/2015 4:32:55 AM] Tesseract: lol
[1/5/2015 4:32:58 AM] Ian Cheong: weird
[1/5/2015 4:34:39 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Wow. That’s like one way to get kicked off forever
[1/5/2015 4:34:44 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): if Twitter has any sense
[1/5/2015 4:48:27 AM] Chris Kluwe: alex — that piece is rock solid
[1/5/2015 4:57:26 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: can someone explain exactly what saul did? i don’t know the story
[1/5/2015 4:57:34 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: and it’s worrying because he’s harassing people with butts in their name
[1/5/2015 4:57:36 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: and he lives in my city
[1/5/2015 4:58:04 AM] Chris Kluwe: from what i’ve gathered, he’s a VERY unhealthy stalker of Randi
[1/5/2015 4:58:07 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ^
[1/5/2015 4:58:16 AM] Chris Kluwe: like, should probably be in prison levels of unhealthy
[1/5/2015 4:58:19 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: yeah i heard that but no details
[1/5/2015 4:58:30 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: he also stalked another woman in tech in my city
[1/5/2015 4:58:34 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: to the level the police got involved
[1/5/2015 5:00:32 AM] SF: I don’t remember the details either but he’s also behind the fake “anti-gg” block list.
[1/5/2015 5:00:58 AM] SF: He’s been following people left and right even vaguely associated with Randi, like my girlfriend.
[1/5/2015 9:10:19 AM] Stephen at Wario: Dan
[1/5/2015 9:10:24 AM] Stephen at Wario: one sec
[1/5/2015 9:10:32 AM] Dan Olson: ‘sup
[1/5/2015 9:10:50 AM] Stephen at Wario: I just got to my desk so I am catching up but are you still wondering why Laurelai Bailey is being conflated with your article as a pedo honeypot?
[1/5/2015 9:11:08 AM] Stephen at Wario: I don’t have solids but I have a pattern of behavior. She seems to have (or is said to have) done just that
[1/5/2015 9:11:27 AM] Dan Olson: I saw the redlines, I know why they think I’m connected
[1/5/2015 9:11:28 AM] Stephen at Wario: But she also seems to shoot at the hip and accuse anyone of pedophilia immediately after receiving tips through e-mail
[1/5/2015 9:11:42 AM] Dan Olson: I just had no clue who she is
[1/5/2015 9:11:56 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what were the “redlines”?
[1/5/2015 9:12:11 AM] Dan Olson: the conspiracy connections
[1/5/2015 9:12:19 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: right i was just wondering what they were
[1/5/2015 9:12:25 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: was there a kia thread or something?
[1/5/2015 9:12:47 AM] Dan Olson: oh, my article was linked on one of her sites or something, ergo she planted evidence and tipped me off
[1/5/2015 9:13:54 AM] Dan Olson: which still doesn’t fly because unless we conspired to manufacture dozens of unique posters the boards in question have been up for months with Hotwheel’s knowledge, sooooooooooooooooooo at “worst” it would mean that there’s fewer pedophiles on 8chan? I don’t even know.
[1/5/2015 9:14:05 AM] Dan Olson: The logic is torturous as usual.
[1/5/2015 9:15:15 AM] Stephen at Wario: Next week they’ll claim that we invented Brennan and set up 8chan years ago just to entrap them
[1/5/2015 9:16:08 AM] Stephen at Wario: “How dare you use someone in a wheelchair as your shield” they will say, and then they will die of an irony overdose
[1/5/2015 9:16:21 AM] Dan Olson: Which would just mean we set up a honeypot aaaaand…. caught pedophiles.
[1/5/2015 9:17:27 AM] Dan Olson: like, if every last word were true it would only mean that we used sketchy methods, which is irrelevant since we’re not LEOs and entrapment doesn’t apply.
[1/5/2015 9:17:42 AM] Knife Horse: I dunno if anyone here has seen in the thick of it
[1/5/2015 9:17:50 AM] Dan Olson: and since pretty much nothing of what they believe is true…
[1/5/2015 9:18:07 AM] Knife Horse: but there’s a rally the troops speech where a government spin doctor tells them “pick up whatever you can and hit them with it”
[1/5/2015 9:18:15 AM] Knife Horse: and that’s GG, that’s their level of spin
[1/5/2015 9:18:31 AM] Knife Horse: no long term planning, purely situational, even if it contradicts the last wave
[1/5/2015 9:18:31 AM] Dan Olson: pretty much, so I just refuse to engage the “ur a pedo” accusations, full stop
[1/5/2015 9:18:46 AM] Knife Horse: yeah Dan, it sucks that happened to you
[1/5/2015 9:19:07 AM] Knife Horse: especially after the broken glass I can only imagine you dragged yourself over to write that and expose 8chan
[1/5/2015 9:20:30 AM] Dan Olson: it’s annoying, but should it manage to follow me anywhere the explanation actually makes me look like a goddamn hero. “I heard accusations that are troubling.” “Yes, I did an expose on a CP trading ring and made enemies of a lot of pedophiles”
[1/5/2015 9:20:38 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: https://twitter.com/Veeren__JubbaI/status/551911006386274304 sigh
[1/5/2015 9:21:07 AM] Dan Olson: dead link Ms. butts.
[1/5/2015 9:21:24 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: that was fast
[1/5/2015 9:21:24 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: odd
[1/5/2015 9:21:52 AM] Knife Horse: the fact what you did was completely legal in Canada ought to have made them look like idiots
[1/5/2015 9:22:24 AM] Knife Horse: but they’re fucking amoebas, intellectually
[1/5/2015 9:22:33 AM] Knife Horse: they have no sense of shame or even self worth
[1/5/2015 9:22:50 AM] Knife Horse: it’s like arguing with a 5 year old who repeats everything you say
[1/5/2015 9:23:36 AM] Dan Olson: It’s exactly like arguing with prepubescent children, yes
[1/5/2015 9:23:44 AM] Dan Olson: “why” “why” “why” “why”
[1/5/2015 9:23:54 AM] Dan Olson: “proof” “proof” “proof” “proof”
[1/5/2015 9:24:02 AM] Dan Olson: “I know you are, but what am I”
[1/5/2015 9:24:11 AM] Stephen at Wario: ^
[1/5/2015 9:24:16 AM] Stephen at Wario: so much that
[1/5/2015 9:24:25 AM] Knife Horse: nuh uh you’re the poopy head
[1/5/2015 9:24:35 AM] Knife Horse: ethics means what I say! brrrr I’m a submarine
[1/5/2015 9:24:41 AM] Quinnae: Oh yes, I love TTOI!
[1/5/2015 9:24:46 AM] Dan Olson: “Your honor, I refer you to the case of one Rubber v. Glue wherein the presiding judge ruled ‘what you say bounces off of me and sticks to you’”
[1/5/2015 9:24:55 AM] Quinnae: “Bend down and pick up any weapon you can find, and twat the fuckery out of em!”
[1/5/2015 9:25:21 AM] Knife Horse: Quinnae, except none of them are a tenth as smart or as cutting as Tucker
[1/5/2015 9:25:36 AM] Knife Horse: it’s like an army of Ollies, at best
[1/5/2015 9:26:01 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: rofl dan
[1/5/2015 9:26:35 AM] Stephen at Wario: What is TTOI?
[1/5/2015 9:26:39 AM] Stephen at Wario: Talking To Ornery Infants?
[1/5/2015 9:26:50 AM] Quinnae: The Thick of It. A very dark British political comedy/satire.
[1/5/2015 9:27:01 AM] Stephen at Wario: Ah
[1/5/2015 9:27:02 AM] Quinnae: And, KnifeHorse, hah, I wouldn’t even rate them that highly. :P
[1/5/2015 9:27:06 AM] Stephen at Wario: I’m still watching Vicar of Dibley ❤
[1/5/2015 9:27:11 AM] Knife Horse: with Peter Capaldi as the world’s sweariest man
[1/5/2015 9:27:27 AM] Quinnae: I liked Peter Capaldi before it was cool. Just sayin’
[1/5/2015 9:28:12 AM] Knife Horse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIPxLzfw6wU
[1/5/2015 9:28:19 AM] Knife Horse: what are your thoughts on rick and morty
[1/5/2015 9:30:45 AM] Quinnae: Afraid I haven’t seen it!
[1/5/2015 9:31:18 AM] Knife Horse: it’s dan harmon
[1/5/2015 9:31:33 AM] Stephen at Wario: If we’re talking favorites then I’m afraid A Bit of Fry and Laurie will always have a place in my heart
[1/5/2015 9:31:50 AM] Quinnae: Hehe, no arguing with that, Stephen. ;)
[1/5/2015 9:33:46 AM | Removed 9:33:52 AM] Tesseract: This message has been removed.
[1/5/2015 9:34:19 AM] Stephen at Wario: WTF
[1/5/2015 9:34:29 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: ..?
[1/5/2015 9:35:24 AM] Quinnae: What happened?
[1/5/2015 9:35:35 AM] Tesseract: I posted a funny thing to seriouschat instead of social
[1/5/2015 9:35:38 AM] Tesseract: it’s in social now
[1/5/2015 9:35:52 AM] Stephen at Wario: sorry
[1/5/2015 9:35:55 AM] Stephen at Wario: I switched to social
[1/5/2015 10:07:03 AM] SF: https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/551920476293844992 Here’s Cernovich suggesting Zoe swatted Grace.
[1/5/2015 10:07:09 AM] SF: Carefully phrased in the form of a question.
[1/5/2015 10:08:13 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): he is such an idiot
[1/5/2015 10:08:42 AM] Knife Horse: I feel bad for grace
[1/5/2015 10:09:00 AM] SF: https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/551873427817000962 I’ll archive this too just in case.
[1/5/2015 10:09:02 AM] Knife Horse: I know she’s been a bit of a monster but she’s made at least an effort and been doubly fucked for it
[1/5/2015 10:09:24 AM] SF: It feels unfair when there are so many other monsters who have neither reformed nor been punished.
[1/5/2015 10:13:56 AM] SF: https://archive.today/ykVxg I mean if that isn’t libel I don’t know what is.
[1/5/2015 10:18:24 AM] SF: Added a section to Cernovich’s card specifically for libel.
[1/5/2015 10:18:41 AM] SF: Alex you had a better idea of the ideal structure than I do so feel free to move anything I’ve added.
[1/5/2015 11:50:32 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Alright. Will check it out and update the article as necessary.
[1/5/2015 11:50:47 AM] Alex Lifschitz: God, I really wanna launch it but waiting for this first article to hit is killing me
[1/5/2015 11:51:05 AM] Tesseract: oh btw alex I found juicebro’s rok account
[1/5/2015 11:51:08 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): what is the article about, the one you’re waiting for?
[1/5/2015 11:51:14 AM] Tesseract: it’s fucking huge and has like 4000 posts
[1/5/2015 11:51:19 AM] Stephen at Wario: whoa
[1/5/2015 11:51:20 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Yes. Tess is suffering through his ROK account
[1/5/2015 11:51:26 AM] Tesseract: nah I haven’t checked it yet
[1/5/2015 11:51:49 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Feel free to dump it in the Trello card
[1/5/2015 11:51:53 AM] Alex Lifschitz: I’ll add it to the article
[1/5/2015 11:52:05 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Sorry, setting up muh new laptop
[1/5/2015 12:01:32 PM] Zoe Quinn: don’t say muh
[1/5/2015 12:02:05 PM] Dan Olson: it’s “mah”
[1/5/2015 12:02:39 PM] Stephen at Wario: indubitablah
[1/5/2015 12:03:41 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Yeah, Alex. It’s supposed to be:
[1/5/2015 12:03:48 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): M’laptop /tips fedora/
[1/5/2015 12:04:34 PM] Stephen at Wario: XD
[1/5/2015 12:36:11 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: security question: with 2fa, is people trying to recover the account with “forgotten passwords” still a thing? or do i not need to worry about that
[1/5/2015 12:36:16 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: security questions
[1/5/2015 12:36:17 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: etc
[1/5/2015 12:36:51 PM] Stephen at Wario: I believe password help requests also trigger 2FA
[1/5/2015 12:37:00 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): with 2FA if you get locked out, usually you have to contact the website/service directly for support to get back in
[1/5/2015 12:37:09 PM] Stephen at Wario: ^
[1/5/2015 12:37:14 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: kk
[1/5/2015 12:57:51 PM] SF: Has anyone else here already set up U2F with a Yubikey because it’s freaking complicated.
[1/5/2015 12:58:04 PM] SF: I don’t know how Taylor Swift does this for a living.
[1/5/2015 1:33:59 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i haven’t, games
[1/5/2015 1:34:17 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: has anyone been documenting in trello nero defending my doxxing/outing? probably worthwhile to do
[1/5/2015 1:34:24 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: its kind of emotionally hard for me to look at
[1/5/2015 1:36:33 PM] Knife Horse: If it makes you feel better Sarah, he’s about to get real famous for writing poetry pining for a second Krystalnacht
[1/5/2015 1:36:45 PM] Knife Horse: I can’t believe that’s a real sentence but hey
[1/5/2015 1:36:49 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: haha
[1/5/2015 1:38:29 PM] Knife Horse: he’s out of the country right now
[1/5/2015 1:38:40 PM] Knife Horse: hopefully he comes back to the consequences of his actions
[1/5/2015 1:39:29 PM] SF: I’m the only one that’s edited Nero’s card so far but I’ll step up my observing of him and Juice tomorrow since I’ll be getting back into work hours.
[1/5/2015 1:39:43 PM] Knife Horse: card?
[1/5/2015 1:39:51 PM] SF: In Trello.
[1/5/2015 1:39:55 PM] Knife Horse: aha
[1/5/2015 1:40:37 PM] Knife Horse: I might be able to help with that
[1/5/2015 1:40:41 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Ugh I wish more services offered native YubiKey support
[1/5/2015 1:40:44 PM] Knife Horse: if you need any backup
[1/5/2015 1:41:01 PM] Knife Horse: Alex, you see the poetry that leaked?
[1/5/2015 1:41:20 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Just the shots Kluwe leaked
[1/5/2015 1:41:26 PM] Knife Horse: it turns out Nero ran his own vanity press about 6–7 years ago called “Donkey Punch”
[1/5/2015 1:41:56 PM] Knife Horse: the only books they published were his poetry and what I understand to be a < 100 academic work he co-authored on buffy the vampire slayer
[1/5/2015 1:42:20 PM] Knife Horse: all out of print but now I REALLY want to find some copies
[1/5/2015 1:42:25 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Understand that since I had my eyeballs glued to that awful IRC and 4chan for 40 hours a week for 6 weeks I have come to appreciate horrible anti-Semitism as “meh”
[1/5/2015 1:42:46 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Like I have kinda internalized that that’s how normal people say hello
[1/5/2015 1:42:54 PM] Knife Horse: oh god, sorry
[1/5/2015 1:43:16 PM] Alex Lifschitz: So I have to be like “oh yeah, calling for the murder of Jews is, like, people don’t like that, right? They don’t pat each other on the head for that”
[1/5/2015 1:43:23 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Naw it’s cool but like
[1/5/2015 1:43:30 PM] Knife Horse: shit’s fucking warped
[1/5/2015 1:43:49 PM] Alex Lifschitz: It’s hard to appraise stuff now. People go LOOK AT THIS AWFUL SHIT and I’m thoroughly unimpressed
[1/5/2015 1:44:16 PM] Knife Horse: yeah, I came up through some mom and pop something awful clone back in the day
[1/5/2015 1:44:28 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I just came to think that “nigger faggot Jew rape rape rape” is just how people talk now
[1/5/2015 1:44:33 PM] Knife Horse: “oh cool, cripple jokes”
[1/5/2015 1:44:41 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: alex, i am almost certain at this point hotwheels is criminally liable. the combination of awareness of baphomet, adding features to protect it, etc, all RIGHT after a swatting.
[1/5/2015 1:45:08 PM] Alex Lifschitz: I’d like to think so but we’ve also learned the system is broken because the internet isn’t real
[1/5/2015 1:45:25 PM] Knife Horse: the problem is he’s not in the US
[1/5/2015 1:45:51 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Take my tweets/screenshots and add to Hotwheels’ file in Trello: https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/551976836591153152
[1/5/2015 1:45:54 PM] Knife Horse: we have to hope law enforcement does things the hard way
[1/5/2015 1:46:00 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/551975885222342656
[1/5/2015 1:46:01 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: conviction in absentia is a thing
[1/5/2015 1:46:30 PM] Knife Horse: I’d settle for his website getting vanned
[1/5/2015 1:46:39 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Just don’t get seduced by the notion that anyone will actually give a damn unless we have a line right to the FBI.
[1/5/2015 1:47:17 PM] Alex Lifschitz: The system is broke as FUCK. That crushed Zoe when things looked like they would work, but didn’t, because we got invested for a sec.
[1/5/2015 1:47:27 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Rob has a contact, but he can’t say much or wasn’t given much info
[1/5/2015 1:47:33 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Zoe has the chance to enact larger change with the book, but for now, we need private ways to shut down 8chan.
[1/5/2015 1:47:42 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): (not to FBI directly, but someone who does)
[1/5/2015 1:47:50 PM] Knife Horse: Alex: I was gonna ask, have you reached out to @glinner?
[1/5/2015 1:47:52 PM] Tesseract: ian’s reverse-disrespectful-nod plan looks promising
[1/5/2015 1:48:06 PM] Knife Horse: He seems like a good dude and he’s in the UK, where this shit is a lot harder to pull
[1/5/2015 1:48:11 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: internap is publicly traded. between allowing doxxing boards that had SWATS and continued outing of trans women, that should be a PR nightmare if it hits the news
[1/5/2015 1:48:41 PM] Knife Horse: I can fill in reports but I don’t have it in me to go hard publically, I’m affraid
[1/5/2015 1:49:45 PM] Knife Horse: I’d suggest getting something publishable about Nero with the updated info out this week, honestly, and trying to get some fire under it
[1/5/2015 1:50:05 PM] Knife Horse: any UK gator is a weak link because of our stricter laws regarding online harasssment
[1/5/2015 1:50:15 PM] SF: You only have a sample size of one judge though right? I mean it’s totally reasonable to be crushed by how absurd that situation was, but is it possible they aren’t all dinosaurs?
[1/5/2015 1:50:38 PM] SF: I know in the court battles with my mother it was like two different realities depending on the judge we got.
[1/5/2015 1:50:53 PM] Alex Lifschitz: Can’t count on it. If they appeal, you have to hope all the judges going up through the courts know or care what the hell a Chan board is.
[1/5/2015 2:06:40 PM] Tesseract: well, there’s also the cp
[1/5/2015 2:06:55 PM] Tesseract: the crown jewel of the shit crown
[1/5/2015 2:16:12 PM] Knife Horse: child porn also (rightfully) gets the general public insanely mad
[1/5/2015 2:21:06 PM] nicholas.boterf: WTF is Randi talking about right now? Has she infiltrated Stormfront or something?
[1/5/2015 2:22:47 PM] Dan Olson: It’s her giant block of data
[1/5/2015 2:23:04 PM] Dan Olson: it’s the GG/chan core
[1/5/2015 2:23:31 PM] nicholas.boterf: But she said it wasn’t Gamergate.
[1/5/2015 2:23:38 PM] Dan Olson: how information goes from Chan to mouthpieces to harassment
[1/5/2015 2:23:49 PM] nicholas.boterf: OK. I see.
[1/5/2015 2:24:13 PM] Dan Olson: unless this is something different
[1/5/2015 2:25:43 PM] David Gallant: FUCK THEY’RE DOXXING MERRITT https://twitter.com/pixelgoth/status/551987200896679937
[1/5/2015 2:27:46 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: jesus christ doxxing trans women is like a daily thing for them now practically :\
[1/5/2015 2:28:38 PM] Zoe Quinn: I let her know
[1/5/2015 2:28:40 PM] Zoe Quinn: do not signal boostr
[1/5/2015 2:28:42 PM] Zoe Quinn: *boost
[1/5/2015 2:28:51 PM] Zoe Quinn: boosting dox without consent only further endangers people
[1/5/2015 2:29:18 PM] nicholas.boterf: Good point. I’m assuming Grace didn’t ask?
[1/5/2015 2:29:38 PM] Zoe Quinn: grace hates Merritt of course she didn’t aski
[1/5/2015 2:30:05 PM] Stephen at Wario: Always assume Grace is acting before thinking.
[1/5/2015 2:30:07 PM] Stephen at Wario: It will save time
[1/5/2015 2:30:27 PM] nicholas.boterf: Very true.
[1/5/2015 2:31:03 PM] David Gallant: Thanks, Zoe.
[1/5/2015 2:31:24 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i need randi
[1/5/2015 2:31:27 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: its an emergency
[1/5/2015 2:31:30 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: how do i get ahold of her
[1/5/2015 2:31:41 PM] David Gallant: She seems to be on Twitter right now.
[1/5/2015 2:32:21 PM] nicholas.boterf: She doesn’t follow me, so I can’t DM her.
[1/5/2015 2:40:53 PM] Tesseract: DM’d her
[1/5/2015 3:17:25 PM] SF: It’s no substitute for good practices but this is the best general purpose malware finder I’m aware of: http://www.herdprotect.com/index.aspx
[1/5/2015 3:17:48 PM] Stephen at Wario: thnx will run now
[1/5/2015 3:18:20 PM] Stephen at Wario: mvmd it’s for windows I’ll run what I’ve got
[1/5/2015 3:19:08 PM] SF: Randi I defer to your expertise on what’s best for finding rootkits.