Muse and Metrics S5 EP4 — Advocate for Equity with Daisy Mayorga [Guest Bio, Summary, Audio and Transcript]

Guest Bio

Daisy Mayorga is a dynamic force in the world of technology and inclusion. With her profound passion for empowering equity in emerging technologies, Daisy stands out as a co-founder of yüda, a groundbreaking company devoted to ensuring equal access to technology for marginalized communities. Her role at yüda is not just a job; it’s a mission to challenge traditional tech narratives by introducing diverse perspectives and voices.

Daisy’s journey in tech began with a Bachelor of Science degree in Computer Science, laying the foundation for her future endeavors. She has served as a Google Developer Group organizer and a Women Techmakers Ambassador, roles in which she championed diversity and inclusion in technology. Her efforts have significantly contributed to creating a more equitable tech community.

Before her time at yüda, Daisy honed her skills as a project manager at Bitwise Industries, where she managed multiple projects and played a key role in team development. Her diverse experience also includes a 14-year tenure at the world’s largest winery, gaining expertise in various domains such as manufacturing, distribution, Lean Six Sigma, and development.

Daisy’s commitment to technology and inclusion extends beyond her professional role. She has been instrumental in organizing over 47 events for Women Techmakers and Google Developer Groups, fostering a platform for women and underrepresented groups in tech. Additionally, she has mentored over 40 individuals, guiding them toward successful careers in technology.

As an author, Daisy has contributed to the tech community by writing a children’s book about the evolution from Web 1.0 to Web 3.0. This book is part of her efforts to make emerging technologies accessible to all, including translating it into Spanish to reach a broader audience.

Daisy’s story is one of relentless dedication to technology, equity, and empowerment. Her work at yüda and beyond reflects her commitment to creating a more inclusive, equitable future in technology, making her a true advocate for change and a role model for aspiring tech enthusiasts worldwide.

Summary

Key Highlights:

1. Daisy Mayorga’s Advocacy and Tech Leadership:

• Discusses her role as the co-founder of yüda, aiming to empower equity in emerging technologies for marginalized communities.
• Highlights her journey in tech, beginning with a Computer Science degree, and evolving into a vital role as a Women Techmakers Ambassador and a Google Developer Group organizer.
• Shares insights from her experience at Bitwise Industries, where she managed multiple projects and contributed significantly to team development.

2. Championing Diversity and Inclusion in Tech:

• Emphasizes her commitment to diversity and inclusion, detailing her involvement in organizing over 47 events for Women Techmakers and Google Developer Groups.
• Reflects on mentoring over 40 individuals, helping them navigate and succeed in the tech industry.

3. Navigating Gender and Cultural Barriers:

• Opens up about the challenges she faced as a Latina in tech, addressing the nuances of cultural humility and the importance of self-advocacy in professional settings.
• Discusses the additional responsibilities and expectations placed on women, especially in balancing roles as a mother and a tech professional.

4. Impact of Technology on Society and Culture:

• Explores the role of emerging technologies like Blockchain and AI in shaping societal norms and the job market, particularly in manufacturing and development.
• Advocates for the responsible use of technology to create a more equitable future, emphasizing the importance of diverse voices in tech narratives.

5. The Role of Education and Accessibility in Tech:

• Highlights the development of Spottr, an innovative location-scouting app, showcasing her ability to blend technology with practical applications.
• Stresses the importance of making technology and education accessible to all, including translating educational materials into different languages for wider reach.

6. Vision for the Future of Technology:

• Envisions a tech industry that is inclusive, equitable, and diverse, driven by her work at yüda and her broader initiatives.
• Encourages listeners to embrace technology, advocate for themselves, and contribute to a more inclusive tech ecosystem.

Conclusion:

In this episode, Daisy Mayorga provides a comprehensive look into her impactful journey in the tech industry. Her dedication to empowering equity, advocating for diversity, and challenging traditional tech narratives underscores her role as a transformative leader. Daisy’s experiences and insights offer valuable lessons and inspiration for anyone looking to make a difference in the tech world, especially in fostering an inclusive and equitable future.

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Transcript

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00;00;05;27–00;00;15;27
Philippa Burgess
Hello and welcome to Muse and Metrics. This is your host Philippa Burgess. This is season five episode four and today’s topic is Advocate for Equity.

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Daisy Mayorga
I’m Daisy Mayorga. I am a woman tech maker, Ambassador and new co-founder of UDA. It’s a company that empowers equity in emerging technologies. So we work to try to educate and advocate for underserved communities to learn and leverage emerging technologies. And I’m also a mother and a project manager. I wear many hats and I’m really excited to be on the podcast today.

00;00;45;00–00;01;07;08
Philippa Burgess
I love it. That’s great. And I so just to give some context, I and this is not lived experience, this world learned experience. I have a master’s in urban planning and I don’t think I really understood. I probably still don’t the equity issues. I just and to be honest, like my understanding is just the tip. Like I need to hear it more and be exposed to it more.

00;01;07;08–00;01;13;09
Philippa Burgess
And I think other people do too, about what’s really happening and what’s really needed.

00;01;13;12–00;01;57;29
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, I, I definitely agree with that. There’s so much work that is still needed coming from an underserved community and really trying hard to advocate for myself. I learned there I don’t I didn’t do a really good job on it early on. I think I can’t speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself. I try to stay very humble and sometimes that’s not helpful when you’re looking for a job or when you’re trying to get into a program that humbleness in that culture that like we’re kind of grew up in is like, say, humble, you know, like you don’t have to share everything.

00;01;57;29–00;02;28;27
Daisy Mayorga
And sometimes, like when you’re applying for that job, you can’t stay humble. You need to share all your accomplishments. And culturally, like when you’re not aware of that, if you write a resume based on what you’ve done and not what you’ve accomplished. So there’s a lot and just growing up in a different culture that really changes, like the way you advocate for yourself.

00;02;28;29–00;02;56;06
Philippa Burgess
I can see that. And it’s also there’s the cultural aspects and there’s the woman aspect, right? How much of this is a female issue? Because you’re also a mom. You’re also juggling a lot of other things that we that are that we as women have to incorporate into how we think and the jobs that we can take and the commitments we can make, because we are expected to do a lot more in the home than even a man would be expected to do.

00;02;56;08–00;03;35;23
Daisy Mayorga
Right? Yeah. So I think that’s that’s pretty obvious and not, you know, like in the workplace at home, you hear things all the time when a when a father is involved, it’s like, my gosh, that’s amazing. When it’s something women just tell all the time, naturally. And don’t get any praise for it. Definitely going to conferences all the time and going to events and hearing things as a woman like, who’s your child with or Who’s taking care of them, it’s like, Well, why are those questions even need to be like us?

00;03;35;24–00;04;03;19
Daisy Mayorga
You know, like, I don’t know, like that is a big reminder of like the gender inequalities that are happening and still happening today. You know, it’s it’s kind of crazy, but that stuff is still really happening. So you have all this guilt of like being a mother and like being away from your child and definitely in the workplace, you’re always kind of pushed more towards the client side because you’re friendly and you can talk to people.

00;04;03;19–00;04;26;29
Daisy Mayorga
And as a developer like I experience that and it’s frustrating a little bit because you, you study like so I said computer science, but it was pushed more towards the, you know, like business face inside, client face inside. And it’s like this is not what I what I signed up for, you know, I want to develop and that happens all the time.

00;04;27;03–00;04;57;28
Daisy Mayorga
And I hear the stories, you know, as a woman technical ambassador, you get to talk to a ton of women who experience the same thing and you think, I honestly thought going in, it’s like, it can’t be that bad. And it is. So I, I agree. And I see that there’s definitely a, a gender gap. And there’s also, like you mentioned, the cultural gap as well.

00;04;58;00–00;04;58;26
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah.

00;04;58;28–00;05;21;15
Philippa Burgess
So there’s even an immigrant mindset that is a little bit different than people who don’t have that. There’s an expectation as an immigrant like we brought you here, go make something of yourself, go do something. So there’s a humbleness, but there also is a push. I believe that comes with, you know, we worked really hard to get here.

00;05;21;18–00;06;07;12
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, Yeah. I think there are. Yeah. We can get into so many different complexities of all the different gaps there are. Right? As an immigrant, if you’re a recipient, how many barriers do you have to go through and how much like recipients actually invest in the economy yet don’t get the same in return, right? Like these are these are people who are brought here at a young age and, you know, like weren’t afforded the same opportunities and are doing so much great things in in the United States.

00;06;07;12–00;06;30;25
Daisy Mayorga
You know, there’s there’s that hustle you’re talking about like you’re yes, you hustle like you hustle, you hustle and you never stop hustling, but yet you you will never get as far as someone who’s been whose family has been here for generations because you may not have the connections. It just takes so much, so much more work. And that’s that hustle you’re talking about is like you don’t have those connections built, you don’t have.

00;06;31;02–00;07;01;28
Daisy Mayorga
So I think programs like Women’s Homemaker are really what will help bridge that gap between like you and opportunities and now bringing women like make your ambassadors to all communities like anywhere really gives you like this network of, you know, amazing people that you can connect with, learn from and then grow without having to have generational wealth or generational community networks here.

00;07;01;28–00;07;11;24
Daisy Mayorga
So I think these programs are definitely needed. Ambassadors like you and me and so many others are needed in the community.

00;07;11;26–00;07;29;13
Philippa Burgess
So we’ve talked about these barriers, but you’ve overcome so many of them. And let’s talk about the exciting work that you are doing. You obviously a business owner, you’re an expert in in tech, your developer. But I also want to talk about some of the community building activities that you’re doing. So let’s start with GDG. Modesto.

00;07;29;16–00;08;05;19
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah. Gigi Jimenez has actually been around for quite a while. So it was started by Tim Hudson, who’s currently a mentor for the Pacific region. And then in 2019, I joined as an and or as an organizer and shortly after became a woman tech maker ambassador. But yeah, we’ve been growing the community locally and we started with like probably just a few handful of people coming to our events to now our larger events being upwards of 200 people and we’re targeting 400 people for our DFS this year.

00;08;05;21–00;08;23;12
Philippa Burgess
That’s amazing. So you’re now impacting hundreds of people, which very quickly adds up to thousands of people, right? As as that sort of reaches. And to make tech more accessible, what are some of the the gaps that you’re seeing where people in your community need the most help?

00;08;23;12–00;08;55;05
Daisy Mayorga
I think it starts first with advocacy, which we talked a lot about being able to say like, Hey, I belong here. And that’s that’s like the first barrier to get over, right? And we all experience that. Like, do I belong here? How you were saying that, you know, like you were talking to an expert. Yeah. You had done so much work and research and all that just to say, like, I want to get into the space, but, you know, like the advocacy for yourself is important.

00;08;55;07–00;09;41;00
Daisy Mayorga
And so we are trying to build a safe community where people feel comfortable asking questions, they feel comfortable sharing their knowledge. And so that’s the first the first barrier we’ve we’ve kind of helped to overcome. And then here locally, there’s not a lot of opportunity in tech. So we’re trying to work with local, we’re trying to work with local businesses to see what they’re actually using for technology and then bringing them into our community and sharing opportunities that they have available because there’s a lot of every every company has a tech department or some kind of tech role.

00;09;41;02–00;10;12;22
Daisy Mayorga
And we’re trying to hear from local businesses and say like, hey, share that with the community, because they don’t they’re not aware of this. So that there’s opportunities is another one that we’re working on. And then the education, the emerging technology education is definitely not here in our local community. So bringing events like DFS day to day where we talked about data analytics and data science, those events are not happening here.

00;10;12;22–00;10;22;17
Daisy Mayorga
And so we’re definitely trying to bring them in. So access to the actual technology is another barrier. So those are pretty much like things that we’ve been working on.

00;10;22;17–00;10;53;20
Philippa Burgess
Yeah, that’s amazing. And a lot of work, I’m sure. No, no, a lot of work goes into that. And what do you feel is the response? I mean, obviously more and more people are coming to these events and are participating. Are you when you’re marketing and doing your outreach, do you feel that it’s landing and people are saying, I’m excited that this is here or is there still kind of I don’t really know what that is and would I even belong there?

00;10;53;22–00;11;25;00
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, I think there’s definitely a mix of both, right? It takes a little longer for for some people to feel like they belong than others. I think we’ve done a really good job at both marketing and trying to create a safe community, trying to bring in and showcase different people and different skill sets. So that I think is what is an advantage for us is we are highlighting a lot of people in the community that are doing great things.

00;11;25;02–00;11;58;02
Daisy Mayorga
And when you have representation from different individuals like you get more response, you get, you know, like we see that, you know, with so many things just in society and how much representation and actually does matter. And that’s what we’re trying to build is just like having different representation. If you look at our organizers, we have quite a few organizers in our community because we want to have different skill sets and different voices that we want people to learn and hear from.

00;11;58;05–00;12;21;06
Philippa Burgess
So having those people available and making themselves visible within the community so that there’s children out there who can say, wow, that’s someone who I can have as a role model. That’s something that I can see and that’s possible. And they represent something in life that I want or I want to express or is the value that I want to create.

00;12;21;13–00;12;45;25
Philippa Burgess
We never know what we’re creating just by being in the world, being who we are and shining as brightly as we do. I mean, being an author, let’s I give a book and you know, there’s other people who will see that you have a book and say, you mean I can write a book? Because some of these things, especially when I think, well, tech also falls into some of that entertainment media where people separate it from their normal lives.

00;12;45;25–00;13;13;02
Philippa Burgess
And what’s possible. And they don’t necessarily see that as that’s an approachable, realistic thing that can be done if you move yourself through a process and you have a belief or plan and commit some resources and you can come out the other side and have a book. So tell us about that process of writing and what inspired you to write and and tell us about your book now.

00;13;13;04–00;13;37;19
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, so I have my first children’s book about Web three and the journey from Web went to Web three. It’s a really simple read, and I wanted to I’ve been talking with a few of the ambassadors about creating a children’s book for a long time now, and I have a little extra time now. So I was like, you know what?

00;13;37;19–00;14;05;15
Daisy Mayorga
I’m going to do this and spend some time on it. And probably the longest thing was like creating the graphics, but it was exciting and I want everyone to have access to emerging technology and education at any level. And I’m going to translate the book to Spanish to have even more access for for kids to learn about emerging technology.

00;14;05;18–00;14;32;26
Daisy Mayorga
When I was going to school for computer science, I didn’t see a lot of people that look like me. And it definitely was hard to be in a space like that. And I started reading about the statistics of women in and computer science and technology and, you know, like the the diversity within the tech industry is really bad.

00;14;32;28–00;14;59;17
Daisy Mayorga
I guess you could see that. And I thought to myself, like, well, how can I change that? This was before I even started Women tech Makers and and I started thinking about it. And sometimes we want to make a big impact or I guess like impact. A lot of people. And I thought about it and I was like, well, maybe I can teach my nephews and nieces like, how to create their first website.

00;14;59;20–00;15;21;02
Daisy Mayorga
And so that’s what I did. Like I made a goal of like, I’m going to teach them like how to make their first website. And so I hosted like a little course for you. It was like six of my nieces and nephews and taught them about computer science and they were able to build their first website with HTML, CSS and JavaScript.

00;15;21;04–00;15;41;27
Daisy Mayorga
We use Khan Academy and then we use Ripple like for them to actually host their websites online. So they were able to see at the end of this little course like their product. So that was pretty amazing. And it created community because I created a chat, a Google chat, and they, you know, they were on there chatting about like games and other things.

00;15;41;27–00;16;04;05
Daisy Mayorga
And so I got to see that and I was like, you know what? Like I did it was so rewarding to see that I knew that at least they were going to know about computer science and they were exposed to that at an early age. So that was important to me. And I feel like I just want people to know, like, you don’t have to like everything like you do, even if it’s small.

00;16;04;05–00;16;08;25
Daisy Mayorga
Like that impact that you’re making can change someone’s life.

00;16;08;28–00;16;30;02
Philippa Burgess
Very, very much so. I think that the detail and the and the just showing up and the doing the small things. But and as you do them with consistency as they grow, then they’re going to have even more of an impact. But that’s exciting. And I’m sure that that that will stay with all of them and it will plant seeds that will then grow.

00;16;30;02–00;16;56;22
Philippa Burgess
Because I feel another thing just in the American culture that I see, because a lot of the people that I’ve interviewed are from South Asia and they have a very strong math and science in their culture and with an entertainment and media background, I was just even looking at how we communicate math and science through our media, and we make fun of people who know math and science it’s not celebrated in.

00;16;56;22–00;17;16;07
Philippa Burgess
And so that that spirit, that’s part of it reflects our culture. But it also furthers that idea that you’re a nerd or you’re a geek or you’re not. You know that just that this it’s not as socially acceptable in America to be really good at math. If you’re really good at math, you’re the outcast. And we’re in in India.

00;17;16;09–00;17;45;03
Philippa Burgess
If you are not good at math, you’re the outcast. And so we also need to be aware of how we send these messages to our children that you can be a math hero and be popular and have friends, and that this is. And so we send these messages to kids right now that aren’t actually preparing us for this very ML Future Web three Web 415 future that is is here and going to be continuing to come at us.

00;17;45;06–00;18;08;28
Philippa Burgess
And that math and science are foundation to technology and this tech future. And so I think that we also just need to be aware of the conversation and the messages that we send to kids and that they can have really positive math, science, computer science experiences that make them feel good and make them feel connected and make them feel that they belong now.

00;18;09;01–00;18;26;03
Philippa Burgess
And so I, I think what you did is extraordinary. And it’s it is those feelings that they left with that are going to add to a better experience in their next science class, a better experience in their next math class.

00;18;26;05–00;18;47;25
Daisy Mayorga
So thank you. Yeah, it was definitely rewarding to see them like enjoy it and say like, that’s why I need to learn about graphs because I need to know where to place like this object, you know? So it was really cool to see how much they enjoyed it. And hopefully it does leave a lasting impact.

00;18;47;28–00;19;07;24
Philippa Burgess
I love that. I think that’s so great. And so. So you got your book and that’s great. Now can you just explain for the adult who doesn’t know the difference between Web one, Web two and three, because we have audiences who are into tech and follow tech and we have audiences who are all of this conversation is new.

00;19;07;24–00;19;18;00
Philippa Burgess
They’re very much into supporting women and women empowerment. And so let’s just kind of do a primer for those who may be new to what Web three is.

00;19;18;03–00;19;39;02
Daisy Mayorga
Okay. Yeah. So if you think about medicine and how medicine has evolved over time, you want it to evolve or you want it to get better and you want, you know, technology in medicine to get better, you can sort of think of that in the same way as you do the Internet. You want the user to have a better experience.

00;19;39;05–00;20;27;27
Daisy Mayorga
You want the Internet to be safer for children. You want record keeping to be better. And a lot of those things are what Web3 is trying to do is trying to make the Internet better for the user, allowing the user to have access to their data and not have companies be the one to own their data. But now bringing that to the user and saying like you are going to own your own data and you’re going to be able to do give that data to whoever you choose, you know, So kind of giving that power back to the user and the individual rather than having big entities own a lot of this data that’s out

00;20;27;27–00;21;02;20
Daisy Mayorga
there and a lot of that technology is, you know, can can seem scary like blockchain, you know, So like, just think of it like as the evolving internet, right? Like there’s iterations that we go through and we’re at an we’re at a time where we’re at a time where in the Internet where we’re trying to decentralize, give power back to the people and I think that’s a good primer.

00;21;02;21–00;21;20;16
Daisy Mayorga
But I would hope that you the goal is for people to start looking and reading into it and following people. On TikTok, they talk about Web three and just learning like how that power is going to come back to the people.

00;21;20;18–00;21;44;13
Philippa Burgess
And isn’t there also levels of interactivity? I feel like why the difference in Web 112 is sort of the rise of social media communities and the way that people could interact with each other in ways that they couldn’t before. Like Web one seem to be like you could search, you could pop up a website, stand up a website, and then web two sort of seemed like it had that connectivity and now it seems like Web three.

00;21;44;13–00;22;10;17
Philippa Burgess
I love that you’re talking about the decentralization of it and taking that power back. But there’s also some additional kind of ways in which we can use the Internet and create and build upon it in ways that didn’t really exist. In Web two, There’s these new iterations of what technology is enabling, and I guess that’s also coming into the metaverse as as well.

00;22;10;17–00;22;36;11
Philippa Burgess
And that where Facebook decided, hey, we’re going to rename our company Meta because this is kind of the new direction that we’re really taking it. It’s no longer this term sort of one singular social media brand. It’s this whole world that we’re creating. I think we’re all square, which is the credit card processing company they changed their name to block in representation of blockchain.

00;22;36;13–00;23;18;13
Philippa Burgess
And so these companies are saying, no, no, there’s these bigger kind of technology universes that we want to be representing. I knew Google was big. I knew Google had a lot going on. I don’t think I really understood how much Google has going on until I became a woman maker, ambassador and in producing content and doing kind of beta testing with some of the things that they give us early access to and coming off of doing a Google I o extended audience limit and that audience, I mean, it gave me the opportunity to, though I didn’t attend the event, to spend hours listening to the keynote and several of the sessions to find that I

00;23;18;13–00;23;38;01
Philippa Burgess
was kind of blown away by what how many things in our lives they touch and what they’re developing and where they’re going next. Because I think many people think, Google is and that search is on that email and it’s it’s everywhere. I was buying my mom a new TV and it’s like Google TV and of course they own YouTube.

00;23;38;03–00;24;02;14
Philippa Burgess
So it’s it’s it’s massive. And then I’m studying geospatial. So my area of study is in the spatial data science. And so realizing how much Google also is in spatial with Google Earth and Google Maps and Google Earth Engine, and now they have this new immersive experience where you can do a deep dive and sort of see what that bike path is going to look like in.

00;24;02;14–00;24;25;12
Philippa Burgess
So there’s just a number of opportunities to see kind of with these within these companies, kind of they’re representing these changes that are happening Now. That said, though, given these behemoths and how much power they own and control, so how much are they actually giving back to the people and how well are we doing with this decentralization?

00;24;25;15–00;25;04;12
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, that’s a good question. And I don’t think I have the answer to that. But yeah, that’s that’s a good one. I think that they’re obviously like investing with like I think it’s a they have a I can’t remember what it’s called, but they, they are working on releasing technology for startups that like web3 startups and I can’t think of the name of the program right now, but I know that that’s, that’s happening right for Google.

00;25;04;12–00;25;14;27
Daisy Mayorga
And then like the Ethereum Foundation is also trying to help startups. So there’s always, go ahead.

00;25;14;29–00;25;35;29
Philippa Burgess
I okay, I’ll give you one. One example that I saw was that all of this AI technology that they have that they’re creating, that when they’re speaking to developers at Google I o connect, they’re like, this is for you. Build it, build on top of this, go make your own apps, go make your own products and obviously use us as the foundation, but please run with this.

00;25;36;04–00;26;00;22
Philippa Burgess
We’re not selling this to you to say, okay, end consumer, we’ve created it. You consume it. They’re selling it to say, you know, we’ve put together these building blocks, go build something amazing. And that was really exciting to me to sort of say, okay, with all these new tech skills that I’m getting and this community that I’m building, who knows what we can build with what they released with Palm to, with Gemini, with other things.

00;26;00;22–00;26;29;21
Philippa Burgess
So that to me is power back to the people because it didn’t seem like there was a barrier to entry except for knowledge, skills, experience and community sure are sizable all asks, but if you are committed to building your skillset, building that community and obviously totally understood, not even possible if not for people like you and communities, you know, where you’re lifting people up and saying, you know, you can have an opportunity to do this as well.

00;26;29;24–00;26;43;07
Philippa Burgess
And so I think that that’s a big part of this, is also making those opportunities more equitable and more accessible. But I was still pretty impressed and excited by what is being released and what can be built upon.

00;26;43;09–00;27;18;21
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, yeah. I think there’s always opportunities for companies like this to make things more accessible and equitable. Yeah, I think there’s a ton of companies saying like, Hey, here’s our technology build on top of it. Like, that’s a lot of what Web3 is, right? Like there’s all these blockchain companies that want people to build on their technology. But I admire, I guess, companies like ICP who are working hard to create community in different areas and trying to make it equitable from the very beginning.

00;27;18;23–00;27;48;00
Daisy Mayorga
So that’s that’s I think like the true like if you want to decentralize, bring in a big pool of diverse diversity and then have diverse people build on your platform or on your technology, and I think you’ll be really like, that’ll change things, right? Like you’re going to see things from a different lens. And part of what ICP is doing is building community first and then from there.

00;27;48;04–00;28;28;25
Daisy Mayorga
And a lot of people do this like Google is doing this with lumens, tech makers or Google developer groups. But you have to care. You have to want to help, right? And sometimes you get too caught up in like we want to be big and big and bigger and that equity lens gets lost. So I think that, yes, there’s definitely companies trying to decentralize web3, but it takes a lot of work to truly, truly make an impact in underserved communities.

00;28;28;27–00;28;39;09
Daisy Mayorga
Because I can tell you right now there is no big companies investing in Modesto to try to bring in Web3.

00;28;39;12–00;29;03;21
Philippa Burgess
And investment is is a huge, huge part of it. I think that there’s a perception, again, because I lived in this very siloed, bubbled universe where it’s like, well, if people are poor, that’s what’s on them. It’s not you know, we don’t have anything to do with, you know, they can lift themselves up. But you really look at where corporate dollars are spent, where government dollars are spent studying urban planning.

00;29;03;21–00;29;24;14
Philippa Burgess
You realize how much of our worlds are manufactured and how much of our world are created experiences and they’re creative, positively, and they’re creative negatively. And that’s a creative experience. And if we wanted to create something else, it’s not hard, but it requires attention and dollars.

00;29;24;17–00;29;25;05
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah.

00;29;25;07–00;29;44;24
Philippa Burgess
And a lot of those communities, you know, and that’s actually one of the reasons why I kept going in tech is because at the end of my urban planning degree, I was like, Well, what do I do with this? And I started leaning into a lot of real estate development, real estate conversations and communities. And I was so taken aback and really felt like, Wow, this is not my community.

00;29;44;24–00;30;08;28
Philippa Burgess
This is not aligning with my values. This is not the place for me. Because it was so the conversations were so financially driven, like, Well, do we make money here? And how much money can we make and how quickly can we make it? And it didn’t matter what the environmental expense was, what the social expense was, and there was no interest in saying, you know, if we all get together and invest in this community, we can raise this community up.

00;30;09;00–00;30;39;27
Philippa Burgess
The only way the integrated in doing that is to outpace the people who are living there so they could move a lot. And that was like, no, no, this is where these people live, This is their community. And we’re getting this issue a lot. For example, like Denver is trying to fund urban planning perspective, saying, we’ve got all these underserved communities, we’ve got disconnected sidewalks, There’s places that just don’t have enough tree cover and that trees are a big part of equity because if you don’t have trees, you don’t have protection from shade.

00;30;39;27–00;31;03;28
Philippa Burgess
They provide more oxygen. Trees are a really great tool that an urban planner has to improve the community. But the problem is these communities are so distrustful of governments because they have been traumatized by them for decades that when the city comes in to put trees, all they think about is like, great, we’re now going to be out priced from our communities.

00;31;04;00–00;31;36;00
Philippa Burgess
And because they’re renters, not owners, that’s a real fear of theirs that we this has been our home. This is our community. This these relationships that we have are a fabric. And when you rip that fabric, you lose child care. You lose just people who you know, trust and keep you safe. And so I think that we have to find ways that we can improve communities without tearing apart communities now because of that financial monetary incentive.

00;31;36;05–00;31;56;26
Philippa Burgess
And similarly, property owners tend to who who rent their properties tend to not add trees to those properties. So you’re well, tree covered communities are the ones who have owner resident owners versus resident renters. And those are some of those, you know, societal inequities that we get. And I don’t think if people think about that, that that’s trees.

00;31;56;28–00;32;17;19
Philippa Burgess
And if you look 80 years later, the New York City map of redlining where they say good community by community, all of those red line communities that exist today, if you overlay, as I did this project in school, New York City redlining map from the 1930s over today, every place that they said is green good has tons of parks and open space.

00;32;17;21–00;32;22;19
Philippa Burgess
Everything is that they said this is red bad, no open space, no parks.

00;32;22;21–00;32;23;14
Daisy Mayorga
No.

00;32;23;17–00;32;31;01
Philippa Burgess
And so our built environments is such a reflection of equity.

00;32;31;03–00;33;04;02
Daisy Mayorga
Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t think of trees that way, but you know, like when you do community stands, you definitely see what divides one side of town from the other and how access is divided when like you’re saying, like the redlining thing like that is definitely a real thing and happens in so many different communities and it’s not a it’s a very complex issue to solve, right?

00;33;04;02–00;33;50;07
Daisy Mayorga
There’s distrust and in politics and in government and I mean, like there’s politicians who really don’t care about community or about the people they are in it for their own agenda. So there’s so many different complexities. And I think this just goes back to like, yeah, you have to be a company that actually cares, be a company that’s willing to put the money and invest in communities and know that you may not get a lot of return moneywise, but you’re going to get a lot of return and, you know, like reward and knowing that you did something impactful in that community.

00;33;50;10–00;34;23;27
Daisy Mayorga
And I and I hope that the next builders are more diverse. I hope that they take into consideration how much they’ll be impacting communities that they’re going to. I know here in Modesto we’re not that far away from the Bay Area. We’re only about an hour and a half without traffic. And, you know, there’s not the same opportunities that there is in the Bay Area that we have here.

00;34;23;27–00;34;57;24
Daisy Mayorga
We don’t have a lot of opportunities. We don’t have a lot of tech jobs. We don’t have there is a lack of opportunity, a lack of investment. And I can tell you a story about like going to it was like an AMA with a local politician who’s talking about what their priorities were. And one of the priorities was like infrastructure so that commuters going to the Bay Area had better infrastructure so they could get to their jobs in the Bay Area.

00;34;57;27–00;35;28;23
Daisy Mayorga
And I was like, why is your priority that instead of creating the jobs here, like working with like companies to bring jobs to this area and they didn’t care about that. They were like, well, it’s not my job to tell people where to work, you know, something like that. And I was like, Wow, you know, that’s not investing in your community.

00;35;28;25–00;35;30;27
Philippa Burgess
One thing. go ahead.

00;35;30;29–00;36;00;03
Daisy Mayorga
No, I was just busy. This politician is an owner of a nursery and doesn’t want big companies coming here with offering higher paying jobs. You know, like there’s so many different reasons when you start looking into politics of why things are the way they are. You know, and this goes back to advocacy, right? Like you have to learn how to advocate for yourself and say like, this is not right.

00;36;00;03–00;36;05;21
Daisy Mayorga
Like you can’t do this. Yeah, there’s so much we can probably go on.

00;36;05;21–00;36;29;25
Philippa Burgess
And I know it’s one of the things I again, things like things I learned in urban planning that I would not have ever considered. Is everybody yourself included, Everybody needs to read their community master plans. You need to read your master plan for your city, your county. You need to read it for your transportation, for your disaster management, and you need to share these with your community.

00;36;29;25–00;36;57;27
Philippa Burgess
And if not everybody reads, make a video, make an audio, have a meeting, whatever it is, make sure that people understand what’s actually written in these documents. And if you align with that, then celebrate your politicians and your planners who wrote them. And if you are not in line with what is written, what the plan is of where your city is going, then you need to start to advocate to get better leaders who will evolve these plans to be more in line with the values of the community.

00;36;58;00–00;37;01;02
Philippa Burgess
And not enough people read their city plans.

00;37;01;03–00;37;02;02
Daisy Mayorga
No.

00;37;02;04–00;37;05;18
Philippa Burgess
And literally don’t even know they exist.

00;37;05;20–00;37;30;24
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah. That that stuff is lost on like websites. Right. And like, you have to look for it sometimes and. That’s that’s such a great point. And you just like, give me an idea. I’m like, well, maybe we can have an event about using technology to understand these community plans, right? And here’s what these documents are saying and where they’re going.

00;37;30;26–00;37;32;09
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, yeah.

00;37;32;11–00;38;00;04
Philippa Burgess
If you want to tie it into technology, a great website is Cal Enviro sprint and Cal enviro screen did a data gather and then a data visualization for you that you can interact with. And so part of my big data class was to take this data, marry it to X data, so Census Bureau data for for population and then ask it questions.

00;38;00;07–00;38;24;02
Philippa Burgess
And we weren’t sure what we’d started with some questions that didn’t really weren’t that impactful. So we kept asking questions until we found that the graph moved. We were looking for something where it really showed us there was a direct correlation and the ones that we found was that if you’re white in the state of California outside of L.A., because L.A. is its own thing, but if you’re white in the state of California, you do not have a pollution burden.

00;38;24;04–00;38;46;11
Philippa Burgess
If you are black or brown in the state of California, you have a pollution burden. The the lines were so drastic, we clear that that’s another thing that we need to look at in cities, because a lot of people, their financial logic is, okay, this is what I can afford and it’s next to a freeway and the amount of pollutants that come off that freeway and particles impact health.

00;38;46;11–00;39;27;14
Philippa Burgess
And then there’s you end up with health equity issues, because now different populations are just having different health outcomes and also their access to health care and all of these things all kind of matter. So I think that that’s another way that you can sort of look at data and and that’s where the advocacy comes in. I think we had it referenced crisis PR and in crisis PR, there’s a whole sort of playbook of how you do crisis PR, But a big part of it is that depending on where you are on the crisis PR playing field, I mean, sometimes if you’re the subject of it as an individual, you know, there’s certain things you

00;39;27;14–00;40;06;09
Philippa Burgess
want to say and don’t say to sort of put you on the right or wrong side of of of the public opinion. But generally speaking, if I’m thinking more like organization is, what they’ll do is instead of sort of attacking what was said or countering it, they just make their own media, they make their own stories and just put it out sort of fresh content that says, by the way, you know, we just want to let you know that this is all the good things we’re doing and all that challenges, opportunities, but they don’t ever name who their who kind of sparked that idea of why they needed to put out this announcement.

00;40;06;11–00;40;43;08
Philippa Burgess
But the announcement counteracts whatever was put out there first so they don’t go directly to war, but they do make sure that they put the attention on that conversation. And I think that I think a lot of advocacy is speaking up, speaking out. But again, not always attacking the person who did the thing that needs to be called out, but going around and finding all of your allies, finding all of your advocates and finding people who can actually are the white right ones who can make a difference and and working collectively.

00;40;43;11–00;40;44;25
Daisy Mayorga
Now.

00;40;44;27–00;41;03;19
Philippa Burgess
I think one of the things that also saw that I really liked was this idea of a a it was a meme or visual that I saw that resonated with me differently than how it was presented because how it was presented was like, this is what corporate communications look like. If you have a triangle, there’s like three people talking and it’s all very direct lines of communication.

00;41;03;19–00;41;30;16
Philippa Burgess
If you have four now, you’re adding more lines and it gets more complicated. If you have 14, it looks like a fabric and it’s totally interwoven. But the way I view that is that, if you have 14, you’re safe. If the people you know know each other and you have 14 people who are all working in the same direction and all want the same things and all know each other, there’s enormous power in that now.

00;41;30;19–00;41;48;28
Philippa Burgess
And that’s why I feel like what you’re doing with GDG and creating community and creating events where people don’t have to wow in how they show up. All they have to do is the wow comes from repeated casual interactions.

00;41;49;01–00;42;36;22
Daisy Mayorga
Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting, that visual you’re talking about because working I work in the corporate world and yeah, communication when it’s only at a, you know, an executive level, that triangle because that communication only stays there. Everyone also is left out. But once you start including other people, then like what Google is doing with their ambassador and organizer programs, it’s like now you’re involving more people, more voices, and you’re bringing more people into the conversation, making it really giving you a different approach and a more holistic approach of how to move technology forward.

00;42;36;22–00;43;04;16
Daisy Mayorga
Right. And I think that’s something that’s really important is like you’re going to learn. I definitely think that it did not make the right move at the right time. Right? If if Facebook looked at their demographic of who actually uses Facebook, which I did see some of the like the data they had. But a large amount of people who use Facebook are Hispanic people.

00;43;04;19–00;43;26;22
Daisy Mayorga
And I don’t think like a lot of in that age range was like on the older side as well. And I don’t think that age range of people are going to go on to a metaverse. They’re not going to go do that. And and I don’t know who made the decision to say like, yeah, let’s dive deep into this metaverse right?

00;43;26;24–00;43;52;08
Daisy Mayorga
If they had a younger audience, that might have worked. But because there was only a certain amount of voices in the room, they were not able to protect themselves because they didn’t hear all those other, you know, 14 voices or all of the voices that were really needed to make a holistic move and bring technology forward for everyone.

00;43;52;08–00;44;05;07
Daisy Mayorga
They did it for for a few and, you know, a few a smaller group. And I think that that’s a very powerful message that you’re talking about with that visual.

00;44;05;10–00;44;31;01
Philippa Burgess
Yeah. And also someone else brought up and I thought it was just an interesting comment because again, this is where I’m very siloed and I don’t think of these things is they were saying like how security questions are incredibly not like just not thoughtful because they’ll ask the most common security question is mother’s maiden name. And a lot of people like didn’t take their father’s name.

00;44;31;04–00;44;51;17
Philippa Burgess
They may still have their mother’s name. And that’s not a security question because that’s my name, too. Why am I using my name as my security question? And so they were just saying that like some of the questions they ask in security come from this very bubbled universe that doesn’t really apply to a wider swath of society, that those would make good questions.

00;44;51;20–00;45;06;02
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, there’s yeah, I see like a lot of things when you’re filling out like applications and they’re like, where are these questions coming up? And these.

00;45;06;08–00;45;23;04
Philippa Burgess
Again, there’s so much that I think in life is like, we don’t see it until we see it. Yeah. And we can’t sometimes see it until people pointed out to us and then you can’t unsee it. But you can go through life just with never having even considered that stuff until another voice comes in and says, by the way.

00;45;23;06–00;45;46;14
Philippa Burgess
And that voice could be for opportunity, or that voice could be for things that we’ve always done a certain way that we’re kind of are kind of outdated and just need to be evolved. I think another point to this is you’re now a business owner. Being a business owner is incredibly challenging, but there’s opportunities and there’s ways that the owning your own business, you have more time freedom, you have more location, freedom.

00;45;46;16–00;46;06;02
Philippa Burgess
You may feel like you can strike a better balance between being a professional and being a parent. And I think that in this leadership class that I just came out of, I realize I was really jaded about when they said, What are you going to do when you graduate? And I was like, I don’t know. I don’t see myself going back to a corporate dust.

00;46;06;04–00;46;21;28
Philippa Burgess
I was living in Colorado, my mom’s in California, my dad’s in Pennsylvania, and I literally have a tri city life. And that’s where I was feeling really kind of jaded about the corporate world. I’m like, Who’s hiring me with a tri city life? And then I was like, you know, it doesn’t matter. Just be as good as I want to be.

00;46;22;03–00;46;26;16
Philippa Burgess
Whatever I want to be good at and just trust the process.

00;46;26;18–00;47;01;07
Daisy Mayorga
That’s awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Being a business owner can be very challenging but very rewarding. You know, you get to have your own vision of what you want a company to be like, and when you and I co-founded it. So I have two partners and we get to all align our vision and we have multiple voices. So sometimes that can be challenging, but it’s a it’s a good balance to have not just one person leading the way.

00;47;01;10–00;47;27;24
Daisy Mayorga
And I truly believe, like we rise by lifting others. Like that was a campaign for one of the International Women’s Day, and that stuck with me and I try to do that, you know, like I try to bring others up with me when I have opportunities. And that’s how you change things, right? Like you bring people with you and I and I just want to say this.

00;47;28;00–00;47;53;08
Daisy Mayorga
It’s not easy being a founder and there’s so many challenges, especially like if your someone who who relies on like, you know, insurance, like health insurance from a company or if you rely on an income right. We don’t all have a support system that will allow us to take time off and don’t make any money for for a long period of time.

00;47;53;08–00;47;58;05
Daisy Mayorga
Right. Not everybody has so.

00;47;58;07–00;48;23;16
Philippa Burgess
Health is key. That’s actually the big thing that I’m most concerned about because I found the one university, apparently. I mean, from the research I’ve done, it’s the one university in the entire country, which happened to be my alumni where I graduated from 25 years ago, that offers health insurance to online graduate students. And many of the other schools that I looked at all said their their sort of online programs are marketed through other agencies like companies.

00;48;23;16–00;48;44;01
Philippa Burgess
And they’re like, no, no, you don’t get health insurance. You’re an online student. They also need to like get a running start with whatever I do because I’ve been very brave about how much I’m willing to borrow to sort of get myself set on this new track. But I’m really concerned about health insurance when I graduate. I’m like, What do I do about that?

00;48;44;04–00;49;04;26
Philippa Burgess
And I think for a country that wants to say, we support entrepreneurs, they need to revisit that. Because when I called about, they’re like, you can get individual well, okay, in the state of Colorado, only if I’m physically in the state of in Pennsylvania, only if it has nothing to do with preexisting conditions, which is literally the only reason that I interact with the medical system.

00;49;04;29–00;49;26;04
Philippa Burgess
So I you know, it’s like they’re they’re still not accessible now. So I you know, which kind of leads me to. Okay, well, I guess I need to found a company that can offer myself and its employees health insurance. But then you got to really have a running start because that’s not cheap either. So you don’t want to collapse your business as you’re just starting out.

00;49;26;04–00;49;59;27
Philippa Burgess
So these are all realities that have to be addressed and need to be brought into the public forum because we are a democratic society means that we vote for our leaders. And if these issues are important to us and we’re talking about them, that’s why I believe these conversations do matter and have power. I will give an example of one of the best stakeholder engagements that I have seen in the research that I did, and it was actually the Port Authority of New York, New Jersey.

00;50;00;00–00;50;18;16
Philippa Burgess
They did 500 meetings and workshops and like with all of their stakeholders and just invited everybody in. And there were smaller level ones where they just took on a lot of feedback. There were other ones where they made presentations about where they were at and how their plans were evolving and took in a lot of feedback. And the final result was something.

00;50;18;17–00;50;40;06
Philippa Burgess
Now they have to obviously implement it, but from a plan, the it was done over three years and it really was an exercise in listening and collaborating and a really good example of like what does a really good and committed stakeholder engagement look like.

00;50;40;09–00;50;40;25
Daisy Mayorga
Now to.

00;50;40;25–00;50;47;03
Philippa Burgess
Really understand what’s needed and wanted by the community.

00;50;47;06–00;51;19;03
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, that’s, that’s amazing. And I think there that doesn’t happen in a lot of places where I like the community is not involved for, for different reasons, like trust, access and really like time, right? Like sometimes people don’t have the time because they’re working and they’re they have families and they have parents to take care of or, you know, like there’s so many different reasons why.

00;51;19;03–00;51;50;10
Daisy Mayorga
So it’s it’s again, like, like local leaders have to care enough to to give people opportunities to go like if you want mothers to be there, you should provide child care. You know, if even fathers like you need to provide childcare, if you want more people, more diversity, you need to really be thoughtful about how you’re going to lead these plans.

00;51;50;10–00;51;54;19
Daisy Mayorga
And and that doesn’t happen everywhere. So that’s that’s really amazing.

00;51;54;22–00;52;31;15
Philippa Burgess
We did a lot of those exercises in our school and it was if you’re going to have a meeting and these people are coming from work, yeah. Make sure there’s food. You know, they don’t need to be starved through this this process and make their child care, make sure there’s language resources because, you know, so you’re creating diversity, accessibility and really understanding who you’re who are the people who are in this meeting and what are their needs to be effective at being able to actually hear what they have to say and that it shouldn’t just be, you know, because a lot of times we get this impression of the community meetings just are people shouting

00;52;31;15–00;52;47;29
Philippa Burgess
at each other or just one person talking to the stage and just shutting everybody else down? But like, how can we inform each other because someone has an opinion, they don’t have all the facts. And then this person can say, Well, okay, I hear you, but can you fill in a couple of these other realities into your thinking?

00;52;48;01–00;53;05;06
Philippa Burgess
And then, you know, you can evolve thinking and come back and be like, okay, I thought about that, but there’s still these considerations that I need you to take into consideration. And so that each part of this stakeholder is informing and educating and evolving the process on the other side.

00;53;05;08–00;53;43;15
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, I think a good way for that is to have a a facilitator who knows how to the escalating situations and really knows how to organize an event to make sure that everyone gets the best out of, you know, what the goal is for the event, right? If the goal is to come up with a plan like let’s utilize the time that we’re there for getting to that right and and saying at the beginning, like if there is something that is not relevant to what we’re trying to get for this event, like we’ll we’ll talk about it later.

00;53;43;17–00;54;13;00
Daisy Mayorga
Let’s you know table that talk for something else and and just make sure to set those expectations right and that’s hard to do. Not everybody has a facilitator who can do something like that so even it’s a weird like something as simple as having a really good facilitator can lead to meetings like not going like that, screaming like everyone’s just shouting or just one person like shutting everyone down.

00;54;13;00–00;54;28;22
Daisy Mayorga
Like, yeah, there’s, there’s like simple things that you can put in place to help run a community better run a run a meeting better. But again, Well, yes.

00;54;28;24–00;54;48;21
Philippa Burgess
Well, I think it a lot of it comes from that you’re not alone on your side back to that sort of that fabric. 14 If you’re not the only voice that you’re you’re coming with power and you’re coming with coordination and you’re coming with community action and that you know that the goal is aligned of, of what is being thought.

00;54;48;21–00;55;10;19
Philippa Burgess
And I feel like from what we were talking about before, the work that you’re doing as an ambassador, the work that you’re doing in your community, the work that you’re doing in mentoring and advancing tech, all of those goals seem incredibly aligned and incredibly important now because we as a society, I would say that everybody does not know who you are.

00;55;10;19–00;55;37;17
Philippa Burgess
The last 20 years has had to become digitally literate and now we’re at a place where everybody has become data literate as web3 and everything is evolving. And I think that you are just doing incredibly important work in making sure that those divides don’t continue to grow and making sure that you’re pulling people along to be part of this revolution.

00;55;37;20–00;56;01;14
Philippa Burgess
And it is a revolution and it’s changing our society. I remember just again, in small ways when I moved to Colorado, social media was brand new to Colorado in 2012. It was well-established between 2007 and 2010 on the coasts, but in the middle of the country, it was just getting into corporate, into business. And executives were like, What do we do with this?

00;56;01;14–00;56;26;25
Philippa Burgess
We’re supposed to have a Facebook page where what’s LinkedIn? And so I had just come from Los Angeles and I was well employed and helping companies find their digital presence. And but the problem was you got a lot of middle aged women who were very set in their career. They’d work hard to get to the positions that they were in, and they were mostly boomers, and they were absolutely petrified of this new technology.

00;56;26;25–00;56;47;08
Philippa Burgess
And they were mad about it. They were mad that it traded their office that they were supposed to have both a person like they don’t want a Facebook personally, but now they were supposed to like, do it for work as well. And they had very private personal lives and very sort of separated business identities and had no idea what to do with any of this.

00;56;47;08–00;57;04;12
Philippa Burgess
And it just spoke to this fear of being left behind if they didn’t, like, get with the program. And but there was lots of fears around it. There was a fear, like if I get on LinkedIn, my job, my boss will think I’m looking for a new job and I’ll fire me and then the same Boston know enough about LinkedIn and probably would.

00;57;04;14–00;57;25;15
Philippa Burgess
Yeah. So it was it was very much new territory. And I think it is really important to like a lot of them gained a lot more confidence because people offered classes and people offered talks and we’re like, let’s talk about it. Let’s let’s bring you along. Let’s not have you live in panic or fear about this. Let’s find strategies that work for you.

00;57;25;21–00;57;42;06
Philippa Burgess
And so it’s necessary to make sure that these either they don’t know, that they don’t know where they have an idea, something that just strikes fear in their heart to bring them along and not have them be left behind.

00;57;42;09–00;58;12;29
Daisy Mayorga
Yeah, I was. Yeah, that’s that’s such a true thing. I was talking to. He was a director for a large corporation and he was like, Yeah, I can’t keep up with everything. It’s so hard. Like there’s so much coming out, like Internet of Things. I was like, was like, how do I keep up? So even, you know, like, even a lot of leaders are having this issue of like, this fear of like being left out because they don’t know enough about it.

00;58;12;29–00;58;47;15
Daisy Mayorga
And he’s like, is there like, I would like to see something on just a a general understanding of like how all these technologies work in a way that, like, I know somebody is talking to me and I’ll be saying, you know, and it’s like, yeah, that’s probably important. And, and I was telling him, like for our first, like we wanted to have a business leadership track and we were thinking about it more in a way of like how business leaders can help underserved communities or how business can help the community that we’re in.

00;58;47;15–00;59;11;09
Daisy Mayorga
Right? But we never thought about it like how we can help business leaders understand technology. So I was like, that’s and that’s another lens that somebody brings on. So, yeah, there’s so many people with the fear of being left out of technology, and then there’s people who don’t even realize like they will be left out right and, and those yeah, it’s hard.

00;59;11;09–00;59;37;09
Daisy Mayorga
So the work that we’re doing here in Modesto and so many other women tech makers and GDG organizers are doing it are is definitely needed and all these communities. So I appreciate you and all the women tech ambassadors that helped me get through some difficult times in my journey. And yeah, I really appreciate you having me here.

00;59;37;12–00;59;42;18
Philippa Burgess
As has been great. So any final words that you have encouragement, inspiration.

00;59;42;20–00;59;49;01
Daisy Mayorga
Way to just keep going those and it’s okay to be scared do it anyways.