Lets Make a Future social group

Couple of months ago,

I start meeting lots of interesting people, with different background. I had an amazing long conversation with each of them but all lives in many different places and I did not want to stop our conversation. All conversation was bellowing my mind. So, I have started very small group at Facebook in order to continue our conversations. All of those people were visionaries and an amazing people. Those people who were thinking from majority of my Facebook friends.

One of them wants to colonize the Mars, one of them thinking about simulating human brain, the other one thinks about freedom for VR and one of them is biologist wanted to end all human diseases and the other one interested in quantum organization. In this group, every Monday we have a virtual conversation at 5 PM Est time and cover lots of topics. Sometimes we have guest speakers too. Even if our group is very small but we are participating from all around the world.

Here is just the window of conversation we had in our group:

Friends I have a question!

“I like to impact in the world. Wait! but impact means on human? animals? environment? how can impact be defined? is it impact means for the society? or for one person? or it means spirituality? and means for another world? how we can come to agreement for having the impact? do you think terrorism group they are trying to impact on the world too? (maybe yes, in their mind) how we define impact?

— -Hi ….. ! I believe your question is, “what is the definition of ‘impact’?” I would say it is making the world a better place. This might mean creating products or services for sentient entities (like humans, aliens, robots, and some higher animals), or improving the welfare of non-sentient entities (like plants and most animals).

Loved the question. It’s all I needed to wash away the exhaust from my long routine day. Well, for now I can tell, yes ISIS is having impact too. Impact is beyond ethics. It means to interact and influence other entities either living or non-living. You can hit the ground and have an impact on the ground. Or kick my ass.

The conventional impact is usually meaning make other sentient animals’ lives easier. From a humanist point of view IMPACT is valued when it is making other humans happy. Either by science, engineering, art or any other services.

From a post-humanist view, I would tell even if you are meditating isolated from other humans 40 years in a forest and die you are having impact in a sense that you are transforming energy. You breather. Your biological body is somehow having an impact on the world every moment.

If you want recognition from other humans you better work for their needs. That is why still so many fields of science have difficulty getting funded. Because just like economy science also crudely follows the need of humans. Although curiosity is indeed a never ending need of humans. But it is relatively limited to the time and place of the scientist. Right now you can see that each country is specialized in certain sciences based on their needs.

So, it gets very personal which level and for who you want to have an impact. You better find a field or subject you like the most and enjoy it the most and once you work for it you are the most interested person in the results rather than expecting others to recognize the value of your work. Well if they do too then you are lucky. That is all for now.
That is why a paper or journal is higher on the impact factor based on how many times the articles are cited. There are networks of human knowledge and technology that people are its neurons and synapses are the citations and communications. So, the more a work is cited means the thicker the branch it’s made and the higher it’s impact.

Imagine yourself in a tree. Where do you wanna be? You wanna be part of the trunk? Go work for established industries. You wanna be the tip of the small branches? Do R&D or startup or research. Etc etc.

All in all we all generate patterns whether they are recognized or not. You can make art nobody pays attention to no matter how good it is. You can make art that is superficial but gets recognized widely and makes you rich. Which one you wanna be? Depends on your personality and how your brain is trained to be rewarded.

And my final statement is that if one wants to be happier in life, may better be focusing on contribution rather than impact. And in a nutshell, and eventually :))) lol. Have a good night all.

wow

That was amazing thoughts: here what I was thinking about

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Fascinating question …. , and insightful to read your comments …. and …..,

To give my 2 cents:
I think of impact as having a big effect on something, value-neutral. Most people I believe care about doing good. So then having impact is how do to the most good possible. Which I think is what is often meant when people talk about having impact.

1. What is important and 2. What is the most impactful thing I can do to affect that cause/goal.

To succeed in 2 you have to have a reasoned, detached openness to both your existing ideas and new ideas.

I think impact is an incredibly helpful concept for creating and prioritizing what you should do in a given day/week/year or even your life. There’s an infinite number of things you can do, with a variance in impact (a powerlaw), so it’s worth putting some thoughts into making sure you are doing the things that matter.

PS. This is actually the core tenants of a movement I have long been part of, that you may find interesting: effective altruism: https://www.centreforeffectivealtruism.org/

The Centre for Effective Altruism — Combining Empathy with Evidence
An organization using evidence and analysis to help others as much as possible. At the forefront of the effective altruism movement.
centreforeffectivealtruism.org

…. , that seems very interesting thank you for your answer. I heard about effective altruism too, I really wanted to participate in their event this year but I missed it.

That was my conclusion — — seems far from even realistic though but I was thinking to build modular intelligence and simulated environment for Pharrell network based on each person mind.

I guess doing good also is hard to describe — — good for whom and for what — — who can understand goodness?

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I know, right. What do you guys think is important? And which framework is the right to use to evaluate that?

how about people who do not have consciousness

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….. described a variant of utilitarianism, with all sentient beings, but still some questions remain.
Do you value all lives equally? 
What about future lives? 
Should we maximize preferences/happiness or minimize suffering?
Can a life has negative utlity (point of which better to not exist at all)?

Should ones answers on these questions have implications for how you live your life: like career choices?

sorry things that do not have consciousness not people

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My current evaluation is probably utilitarianism including all sentient beings, but weighted for degree of consciousness, time-independent. That leads me to thinking that anything that ensures future survival and consciousness is the most important, since many more people will exist in the future. So the most important ceases are things that reduce existential risk, like good AI, space colonization and life extension.

Currently lots of decision that we make is not based on “real-world defined” consciousness but do we have different levels of consciousness? — — (Do you think our whole society is conscious as much as we are as an individual? )

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I really agree with the notion ….. said. To focus on impact organizes our priority to be more effective in achieving goals.

I don’t know about goodness. I think what …. said about good AI and human existentialist objectives is a fair minimal value we can keep track of while directing our lives.

Ahh consciousness. The most complex and most interesting topic of all times.

So far I believe consciousness which is a network that connects different information in our brains. That network is highly dependent on our environment. Much more dependent than what our common sense thinks it is. It is a self simulation of our body and surroundings.

Did you know order and disorder is all relative and extremely subjective. I do not believe there is an actual “real-world defined” entity. It is all so very subjective and limited.

We all go completely insane if we stay alone for long time. We need to have constant feedback to our thoughts in order to stay sane. So, what is sanity? sanity is to be connected to a larger network of consciousness than our individual. So, do you see the fractal patterns? Do you see how patterns are being repeated from small to large scales?

Welcome to the realization of a fractal universe? Welcome to the never-ending infinite universe. Even space-time is so very limited fraction of reality we perceive.

According to String Theory Space by itself requires to have 17 dimensions. Time? More than two dimensions. Do you see how even sanity is relative and completely context-based? Do you see the locality of consciousness?

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Did you know your body is 99% empty space? Yes we are.

99% of all the species that ever lived are extinct. We will too.

Thu 8:18am
I recommend seeing the chapter 13: https://books.google.com/books?id=bLDLllfRpdkC&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=marvin+minsky+seeing+and+believing&source=bl&ots=JD_E2iSSSn&sig=IRWoitSyWQNQZ80E7VUD_pJpU4c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFqOWb77TPAhUB82MKHea9BWYQ6AEIOzAF#v=onepage&q=marvin%20minsky%20seeing%20and%20believing&f=false

Society Of Mind
Marvin Minsky — one of the fathers of computer science and cofounder of the Artificial Intelligence Laboratory at MIT — gives a revolutionary answer to the age-old question: “How does the mind work?” Minsky brilliantly portrays the mind as a “society” of tiny components that are themselves mindles…
books.google.com

and this person as well: he was talking mostly about how we can build programing languges that consider more abstract rreasoning http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~bengioy/yoshua_en/index.html

Yoshua Bengio
Yoshua Bengio is Full Professor of the Department of Computer Science and Operations Research, head of the Montreal Institute for Learning Algorithms (MILA), CIFAR Program co-director of the CIFAR Neural Computation and Adaptive Perception program, Canada Research Chair in Statistical Learning Algo…
iro.umontreal.ca

I guess the definition of Impact is an abstract concept which is sort of understandable but it is hard to break it down.

Here was part of our conversation, if still thinking about any interesting topics, you can add your favorite topic at Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/Lets-make-the-Future-1754127701503200/