Responding with violence towards violence when it has already escalated to that situation absolutely makes sense. At that point, their is no reasoning. THAT I get.

My problem with this is three-fold. One the fact that me saying anything to oppose this is to admit some bullshit white supremacist apologetic ideology. Fuck you. No seriously.I’m German and anyone who would automatically assume that about me can fuck off, to me you’re not that much different than the Nazis you claim to hate. Which leads to my point that people, when violence has already been normalized, will quickly assume that anyone is a Nazi and will use violence against them. So because I am willing to disagree with you, I am being threatened, and when people say it is okay to punch Nazis, what they really mean is it is okay to punch anyone assumed to be a Nazi, because theirs no room for debating with Nazis, right? This is a big issue and really working against the Left, in particular extremists like Antifa.

Secondly, talking and reasoning with people, in particular outside of mob mentality, actually does work. Look up the famous white supremacist who left that shit behind and is convincing other people to stop being nazis and kkk as well, and this was a guy who was born into it and was one of its rising leaders. People can be reasoned with, and their are reasons why people unfortunately choose this path. The people who refuse to see this or even talk about it are not looking to actually help people, they don’t give a shit if the Nazi they punched today beats up a helpless black lady tomorrow (which I guess would be a third point), they care about engaging in the act of violence itself, not the actual logical conclusion.

Third (or perhaps fourth now) if you look at this article, I mean really look at it with context, the people involved are all from the punk scene, it is all scene, all politics, all essentially turf warfare. Most of the altercations occur at shows or on the streets, it is contexualy OUTSIDE of the simple Nazis bad non Nazis good, and has more to do with a certain lifestyle and both groups are simply feeding off of each other. Antifa and Nazis are just gangs, that is it, and the heart of the matter is this rivalry between the two that in the bigger picture has little to do with any actual white supremacist movement. But this takes context and intelligence to see this, and most of these people are only slightly evolved apes punching each others lights out. if no one else was involved, I wouldn’t give a shit, but you’re dragging the rest of us into your crap.

Go ahead and punch a nazi if they are coming after you or someone else, but starting shit like this with them is just childish and ignorant, and not one person could debate this. You could beat me up though, so in the end you win and the Nazis don’t, right!?

    Patrick L. Bertlein

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