I have not been following the arguments and alternatives in on-line learning. As an educator and former teacher I have a vested interest in improving systems that are obviously failing vast numbers of young people, and are not even accessible to others. Just a comment on the points that were brought up here …. With regard to ‘sticks’ and ‘carrots’. It seems to me that some of the reasons these are still wanted or needed would be the way that very young children have already been socialized in the present education system. If we address root causes inherent in parental, teacher and politicians attitudes and beliefs, endemic in the current systems, then maybe we would not have to address these same apparent needed motivators at the later stage?