“I can’t even begin to describe how torqued this gets me” Well … you have a nice start. Some perspective, though. This program is a huge success, but it is a success in a very commercial system. A system that as part of its business plan exploits kids for profit. I only hope that Urban takes as good care of his players as Woody did. All reports indicates that he does, and that is something worthy of admiration. What I remember about OSU (alum also) is not so much the football, but the great teachers I had and the lifetime friends I made. That is more important for me.