Week 3

In Class September 7th- 11 am-12:30 pm

In class we discussed Chapter 9, which mainly discussed the Lamentation that was made by Agamemnon to get Achilleus back to fight. This is when Agamemnon finally admits his faults (or so I thought) and proceeds to send three of Achilleus “friends” to try and persuade him to come back, and offers him MANY gifts and Briesus back. We discussed in class, whether Achilleus should have took the offer (though he didn’t), with the class divided somewhat evenly on either side. In my opinion, I thought Achilleus should have taken the offer, just to go back and help his people, and because I genuinely thought that Agamemnon was sorry. But as the discussion went on, it was pointed out that Agamemnon’s apology, probably wasn’t so sincere. It was brought up that Agamemnon is extremely rich and that most of the things he offered to Achilleus barely made a dent in his fortune, and to the fact that he was offering Achilleus one of his daughters making him his “son” ,so he could still be over him. As the class went on. Dr. Sandridge switched it into a psych therapy class, by asking us what about ourselves as a person, would make us either accept or reject the offer, Based on who I am, I responded by saying I would accept the offer, because I am not the person to dwell on anger an spite, which is what I think Achilleus is doing, it;s unnecessary and you just end up, upset by yourself, cause eventually people stop caring. Everyone is entitled to express their emotions, but I think dwelling on anger you can’t change is a waste of time, and keeping tension and negative energy with someone, is something I don’t want. We also discussed the “Theory of Mind” and talked about how reading is incorporated into self-awareness. I interpreted that as saying, when people read you get to see how different characters show their emotion and react to certain things and how that helps you self-reflect and look at yourself and your actions. For example with Achilleus and the amount of anger he has, and how I wouldn’t myself to be that angry for that long that I wouldn’t reason with anyone.

Saturday night 11 pm-1 am

I have started spacing out my reading a little bit, Go Me! After Agamemnon has realized that he cannot win Achilleus back, he is truly defeated and seeks advice from Nestor. I like the fact that in this scene Agamemnon and the Argives have not given up and have decided instead to use a different strategy, which is spying on them. It is Ironic that it turns out, the Trojans were doing the same thing. But the Trojans, sent one and not two, and therefore he was captured by Odysseus and Diomedes. Dolon is so weak, to easily rat out his fellow warriors and tell of their plan, though he was frightened, he kind of deserved that death for giving up everything so easily. It was very peculiar to me, that they used Dolon’s body as an offering. Do ancient Greeks believe in Human sacrifice, like the Aztecs? I enjoy the different ways that Homer describes death, such as in Book 11, line 218, when referencing the dead charioteers “to delight no longer their wives, but the vultures”. Since Achilleus has been gone so long, for much of the epic, my disdain for Agamemnon has waned I don’t think he’s that terrible, other than when he and Achilleus faced off. Now, I’m not saying I like him, it’s more of an indifference. But, I appreciate, that Agamemnon found his strength after being rejected by Achilleus, he didn’t give up. Agamemnon is fighting like a machine. It’s interesting that Achilleus is the best and most viscious warrior, but he is more willing to put ransom and someone, though he is well within his means to kill everyone,but, it is Agamemnon who shows no mercy. Still, the Trojans gave the Argives a run for their money and hurt most of their best warriors.

Monday September 11th 11 pm-12 am

On to book 12:

The begining of Book 12, tells of how the Argives built their ditch not in supplication of the gods, but in spite of them. So therefore, it would not last. So I’m trying to understand…the Ancient Greeks had to supplicate everything to the Gods for anything in their life to work??? But anyway, the Trojans have finally made their way to the ditch in front of the Argives ships. The battle ensues in front of their gates. Sarpedeon is given super strength by his father Zeus. When it comes to Sarpedeon , is he just invincible, since Zeus is his father and is always going to save him? Is this the same for all demi-gods? Also, how is it fair for demi-gods to fight mortal men? I think their should be a rule against that. Leaving off from this chapter, that at the rate it’s going, it’s hard for me to imagine, that there’s anything the Argives can do to win at this point. The Trojans have already reached their territory and are beating them very close to their ships. I wonder what type of power Achilleus is going to bring to rectify this.

2.) Agamemnon’s decisions:

Going to war for his brother: 5

Not accepting Chriseus ransom: 4

Taking Briseus: 3

Letting Achilleus walk away:1

Not acccepting people’s ransom : 5 (it’s not that bad of a choice, but it’s mean)

Saying to even kill a pregnant woman: 2

Stopping Menelaos for going to dual Hektor: 7

Trying to win Achilleus back with gifts: 3

Not giving up and rallying his men to go fight: 7

Deciding to fight bravely, instead of cowering for once: 7

3.) I think that when it comes to heroism with book 5, Diomedes, him and Agamemnon are acting pretty equally. They both were killing indiscriminately and ravaging through the battle. But I will say that Agamemnon did not needs gods to give him that power, and he didn’t go after the gods themselves like Diomedes did. But as the book goes on, I believe their are parts where Diomedes is a better leader than Agamemnon, for example in Book 11, when he and Odysseus are the only ones who decide to stand up to Hektor:

Class time September 12th, 11am-12:30pm

In class, Dr. Sandridge names Books 10 and 11 as “Agamemnon’s redemption”, which I think is fitting. This is where Agamemnon had to step up to the plate and show that he could be a real leader, for once. We also compared the differences between Agamemnon and Achilleus and I realized they had a lot more similarities than I thought. We also discussed the word Prosopoeia- which means to speak in another person for credibility, like what Odysseus tried to do in Book 9 and what Nestor tries to do in Book 11, with Patrokylus. And I wil be honest, I don’t remember much else of the class, because I zoned out. I was very tired and had a long day and was not mentally there, that day in class.

Wednesday September 13th 11 pm-1 am

I am now reading Book 13. Out of nowhere, Poseidon comes and gets involved with the the war, particularly helping the Achaians. Side note: Poseidon is one of my favorite Greek gods, I have no idea why, although I do like water… and this fondness for Poseidon was made deeper by the Percy Jackson and the Olympians franchise :). So now I am happy he has come to help the Achaians, who are so close to defeat. In this book, I learned that there are two Aias’s ??? Moving on, Poseidon has “stirred the spirits” in the Achaians and encouraged them to fight. The question posed here, is that is Poseidon didn’t come and help them, were they just gonna stand there crying and watch themselves die….. And I am honestly Irritated that someone always has to “stir the spirit” in them, why do they lose the “spirit” so easily and constantly need reassurance. Another question, so is Poseidon disguised or shape-shifting to help the Achaians? I think thats very smart on his part. And it is working, the Achaians are now giving the Trojans a good fight and pushing through. I want to discuss one of my anthropological questions. At one point in the book they mention someone’s “abstard-daughter”, and I want to know if the ancient Greeks, were okay with infidelity or just knew about it and accepted. Or were they allowed to be sexually free before marriage, or was marriage not seen as a completely serious bond, as we see it now, because there are so many people in this epic that are half brothers and sisters and I find it interesting. In this book I noticed that the deaths are more gruesome and the suffering is described more here. Someone is cut right above the groin, someone’s entrails are falling out of their body and the worst one of all, is that someone was hit in the face with an ax and his eyeballs fell to the ground. Homer also describes the suffering of each death, describing their “gasping”, and them “clawing at the dust”. But, Yay! the Achaians will get to see another day and the fighting will continue.

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