Mark, Thanks for your direct response. I’m guessing that your str8 and a father. Your response seems to point out that its of course “OK” for us to have some “sexual” response on touch for anyone but “children”. Especially you’re own “children”. You’ve tripped onto an extremely sensitive topic spanning what’s happening with “pedophiles”, to “Daddy/Son” relationships in the gay community, the problems the Catholic church has had with Priests and kids, to Donald Trump saying his daughter is sexy. Idealizing what touch “should” be with a child doesn’t make the fundemental issue go away that touch even with a child can have a sexualizing element for a person. The question is not whether a person feels some sexualization when touching or being touched, the question is what the person does with the feelings of sexualization. The general disgust in the US and I assume abroad for any sexual feelings with a child (which we arhbitrarily define as under 18) is the most intense form of shame on sexualization in the US. Milo Yiannopoulos could say many crazy things but his comment about Daddy/Son relationships in the gay community was what brought him down with the conservative right. I would once again call you out on “judging” what someone feels — which they can’t control — especially on sexuality — versus discussing how someone acts on their feelings. You may want to read articles about how young pedophiles who have never acted out can’t get help because as soon as they admit they have sexual feelings for a child, they woud get locked up. Sexuality and what causes us as humans to have a sexual feeling is something the scientists have very little understanding of. Using your phrase “sexually obsessed culture” but adding a different spin to it. Our culture has been very obsessed with defining what sexual feelings are appropriate, what sexual actions we do are appropriate, and trying to enforce those through religeon and laws tied to religeon. As a gay person who has three kids, I have a more interesting question for you. I applaud you for creating a forum to discuss what it means to be a “healthy” man. I would never use the word “good” as that implies their is some absolute that we can judge on. I am very passionate about a more narrow version of that discussion, what does it mean to be a “healthy gay man”. Especially in the context of being able to tell a kid (e.g 12 year old) that told me he thinks he’s gay what he should do next. Something we in the gay community don’t have a good answer for. But that’s another discussion.