Isn’t creating an entire political life around pushing against one subset of the dreaded “identity politics” it’s own sort of identity politics?
Definitely quite interesting!
Amber Lisa

Sure… I think it really depends on the reason’s why someone is pushing back. Sadly it can be the case that a person has been hit hard with something… Ron Collins has been a vocal participant here discussing his years long and fruitless battle to be in the lives of his children. This might understandably cause him to focus on the feminist side of identity politics… his harshest words reserved for women’s claims of oppression.

It may well be that someone having experienced that would indeed identify themselves as being a “fighter against feminist oppression”. This is what identity politics encourages.

In the Cassie Jaye Raw Files I shared a bit ago, you will see a guy talking about how every “feminist issue” has a corresponding men’s issue… that a feminist *can not see* thanks to how women framed the issue in the first place. As he says “men, you have no issue”. Only when one realizes that this is only because of identity politics forcing the framing does one see the harm it has done.

For example, the issue of women being forced into roles in society kept her in the house tending children. But men also have a role… they are forced out of the home to work, provide, protect… which is the corresponding role. Feminism only framed the issue in terms of the woman. The ACTUAL issue was “for the sake of equality, we need to end gender roles.” First wave feminism would have understood this. Modern feminism, thanks to identity politics, rejected it as being hostile, so the ACTUAL issue of ending gender roles was never actually solved or even addressed. Men were not part of the conversation.

For me, it’s easy to back off and look at the entire destructive effects of Identity Politics because I am totally comfortable in the more abstract… and can readily tie what we see in the abstract to real world events.

That’s not the easiest thing for many people… so it really depends on who I am talking to. Some people are only animated by specific descriptions of harm, injustice, or other grievance… but just don’t care about things pushed out one level of abstraction.

The MRM guys (men’s rights movement) are a bit like that. They see the issues especially when they have been hurt by things like false abuse accusations by an ex spouse in order to separate him from his kids.

Here is the story of a guy that was smart enough to turn his recorder on at the exact right moment:

They *feel* the injustice to their tortured souls. They don’t want to deal in abstractions. They want to attack what is hurting them.

I’ve made them mad at me for not joining in… and cautioning them about how they are just making the same mistakes feminism has made (you become what you hate, right?). I pissed a few of them off real good for suggesting that.

If I had not gone through a very clean divorce ($65 filing charge), I might easily be one of them… engaged in a years long battle with a woman able to accuse me of anything, and being believed.

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