The politics in the old comics was specifically due to furthering a story, not pushing a certain agenda to the point that the agenda is more important than the story

You’ve clearly never read the GL/GA team up issues: they were about such things as Native rights, over population, racial problems. The overarching story was a roadtrip through America. Maybe you should go read them. That right there should be enough to indicate how much you’re talking through your hat, but we’ll persevere anyway.

Also, there were no other women that were Thor.

Actually there was for one issue, but given your already demonstrated lack of historical context in all this, I’m not surprised you didnt know. In one issue he was a dog. In another a purple-skinned alien. In still another, a tree. And you’re concerned he was a woman. Wow.

More importantly, the fact you want to phrase it as white guys in spandex means you are either intentionally or accidentally misunderstanding Comicsgate.

Please. The core of their issues have to do with characters changing genders or ethnicity or race “because that’s not who they are!” And who they are are a bunch of white guys in spandex. And you’re be hard-pressed to deny that.

As far as “Captain Christian” stuff…your description proved my point in regards to the hostility towards Christianity, conservatives, and republicans.

You get upset about people pushing political agendas and yet you want characters whose sole purpose to exist is to push a political agenda simply by the nature of their labelling. Do you not see the disconnect? How do you know, for example, that Batman isnt a Republican? He sure acts like one a lot. Still, does he have to tell you? Coming from another planet, Kal-El undoubtedly isnt Christian, but does he push his particular religious beliefs in each story? Oddly, I cannot remember a single instance of that. Did I miss one? Probably not, because their political and religious affiliations dont matter. And yet, to you, those should be front and centre so we know, without a doubt, who in the MCU is more Christian than everyone else… because the label matters more than anything else. Truly, you seem to want it both ways.

Again, such books exist. Read them. Never mind that they’re jingoistic as all hell. They’re also crashingly dull simply because their creators put the labels ahead of the characters. They exist simply to promote an agenda. Beyond that, they’re boilerplate.

Of course, never mind that the conservative mindset itself seems a bit of disconnect anyway. It insists on “individual liberty” and “personal freedom” — and then turns around and tells you what that will entail. Just throwing one example out there for the sake of conversation, tell me how a political mindset that says “Everyone has the right to do anything they want in the name of personal freedom” can get so worked up over two guys getting married. Is there some asterick next to that “individual freedom” thing that says “Terms and conditions may apply, and we’ll tell you what they are”? The conservative history in your country has always sought to keep visible minorities and women and LGBTQ folk and even the freaking Irish under its thumb, even as it tells everyone how inclusive things are under that Great Big Tent.

Really.

Hmm.

Bottom line in all this: the liberal mindset celebrates the potential of the individual. The conservative one wants to conscribe it. History bears that out. I dont know about you, but that doesnt seem to make for a good comic book if the point of these things is to get kids to realize anything is possible for them.

If that doesn’t work then…brains?

If that was to appeal to hearts and minds, let me assure you it didnt work. Frankly, I find the whole Comicsgate thing amazing in its complete and utter stupidity. People getting this upset because a fictional character becomes Hispanic, or gay, or a woman. There is fandom, and then there is… well, I dont know what word to use here. Perhaps you, with your superior sense of enlightenment, can tell me?

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