If you have 2 bad choices you have 2 bad choices. You don’t have to endorse either.
Unfortunately, that is real life. Sometimes there are no perfect choices in life and you still have to choose as best you can. This is the real world, not some fantasy land.
You don’t have to endorse one or the other if they are both bad. The real world has a lot of fantasy in it. And some politicians live in a fantasy land of their own too! Our economic systems have fantasy economics mixed In with them, fiat money by definition!
The son may be the product of the father. As for the sons part in the fathers sins, that will vary from case to case. In the case of Trump he is the product of his father.
Bull, we are each only responsible for what we do, any attempt to paint the sins of the father on the child is unamerican.
Whether it’s un-American or not is irrelevant. If the father is a gangster and teaches his son to be a gangster it is the father’s fault or if the father is a bad businessman and teaches his son to be the same it is the fathers fault. Sometimes the son turns out worse than the father or to be bad where the father was good and influences the father. Whilst it may be less usual it is entirely possible to have one or more of these combinations. I can dig up examples if you wish.
I’m not defending Clinton why do you think I am?
We had two choices, we have to consider one or the other. Again, this is the real world, not some fantasy world.
If you have 2 unsuitable choices you can vote for the least worst but it doesn’t mean you have to support either of them.
No, I don’t like people being obscenely rich. Either money is infinite and everyone should have enough or it’s finite and needs to be distributed fairly. Nobody earns large wealth themselves, they amass it on the backs of others. I don’t hate them as such but whilst there are poor people in the world and things to fix everyone should contribute fairly. Some rich people do give back and some don’t.
Again, unamerican. Who gets to choose what is enough money and what is not? Who decides what money to take away by force and what not? Who deserves the money they have and who does not?
Society, the law, government, circumstances etc. decide what we can do and what we can’t do. One individual is not more important than another in this context. Regardless, we will have to move towards different ways, the world is changing and people must change with it.
In every Nation where the poor have a decent existence there is some major element of capitalism, all other forms of Government have failed and the poor suffer much worse existences.
That’s not entirely true. In some places they may not have much stuff but they have decent education, a decent health system, enough to eat and everyone has somewhere at least reasonable to live. However capitalism hybrids are generally inefficient and very unfair, ~45 million people very unfair in America. They may better than many other systems but they are still far from good enough.
Facts over emotions.
If rich kids lose all the family money that’s their choice, at least they had that choice. How and why they lose it has some bearing.
The point was just starting out with money is no guarantee you will be successful yourself. Lots of rick people have committed suicide because of their failures as well.
As an example … if you have say $5 million all you have to do is invest at least half of it in safe investments and live off of it. The other half you can try things with. Besides that people have gained, much, lost much and gained much again. Losing a fortune is not the end of the world but it is generally a choice.
No, I have never asked for a raise, I have worked for my raises which were given without me asking. I try to buy what I need and what I will use. I certainly don’t deck rooms out in gold. That money could have helped many many people or done some good somewhere else. Your greed and mine is nothing compared to the greed of people like Trump. And no, if I had a lot of money I would still buy conscientiously, money should not be the centre of anyone’s life.
Bull, you are dodging the point, of course you have luxuries, of course you have things you do not need, of course you are greedy, so why is your greed okay but some other person;s greed is evil? You are a hypocrite.
This is my biggest issue with your type. You point your finger at others but do not live the life you preach. If you lived what you preach I would respect you, but you don’t.
I think you are talking about yourself, I sense some guilt here. There are actually some rich people who really don’t care about “the money”, some of them even just give it away. Not everyone is self-serving … maybe all the people you know are. I can dig up examples if you wish. I also know ordinary folk who couldn’t care less about the money. As long as they have enough money to live reasonably they are quite happy and don’t buy or consume very much. We are consuming our world to death so this is going to have to be a trend in the near future.
The Paris agreement sets out minimums it doesn’t stop people doing bettter. The reason that Trump left it is so that he can pollute however he sees fit. He has more or less said this. He also sets a bad precedent.
Again, if the established limits do not go far enough, why have it? If what is needed is only possible by voluntary additional measures then leave it all at that, it is a fake deal if it does not actually stop Co2 increases.
You are of course joking! If you don’t get people and countries to commit most of them will pollute themselves to death. Go check out what China did to themselves and the change it attitude since. The US is the 2nd biggest polluter in the world BTW.
I agree with you about population growth. If it carries on we will have to control it though.
It is already past that point, again, more people means we need more food and energy and cars and computers etc. Population growth will force more energy production beyond conservation, the only way to address the Co2 issue is with forced population controls, if we refuse to do that, then no about of other measures can be enough.
It’s not actually that bad yet. What is really bad is how much we consume and that we don’t need to. The US is the largest consumer in the world, it consumes almost 4 times more than the next country to it which is China; China has 4 times the population of the US. Nevertheless we cannot let populations grow too big. A debate for another time I think.
Polls are a snapshot they are not guarantees of which horse will win the race. They are still valid nonetheless. Are you for society or just yourself?
What do polls have to do with society? You seem grossly confused on how polls work. The poll is only as good as the people who operate it and those they speak to. Many of these polls are internet and computerized, they have no clue who was answering the questions. It is all fake. You can get certain desired results by manipulating the question.
For example, if you poll Americans with a simple yes/no on abortion you will get mostly yes, but if you allow for more nuanced answers to include more restrictions then most people say more restrictions. Polls are not accurate ways to measure the population, not even close.
If you look more closely you will see that this poll is an average of several other polls so is probably more accurate than the norm. You are right that polls only go so far but Trump still appears to be the most unpopular president in US history. If a rebel is what you want, someone to shake things up I’m afraid Trump is no Macron or Lincoln. There are several US presidents I though weren’t much good but none of them as incompetent as Trump.
I am in business. I don’t know how old you are, I could be older than you!
I do not believe you can be in business and claim nobody earns their money, you must be just an employee, not a business owner.
That’s not what I said, read things properly. I said that rich people amass their wealth on the backs of others. People do earn their money but most people do not get paid fairly for what they do.
You talk like a teenager with a naive sense of the world, I guess some people never grow up, lol.
That’s just a cop out. I’m going to just going to ignore this.
No pure political forms work, neither pure capitalism or socialism. Extremes seldom do. All the more successful forms are hybrid. The mix differs. There are examples of capitalist based countries that are also in a terrible state usually due to too much corruption which is also present in the US … ah, back to Trump it seems.
Again, you are too busy dreaming about fantasy, I stick to the real world. There are no Countries where Capitalism is not a part where the poor are doing as well as those countries with capitalism.
Ok, if we are going to be more literal there are very few countries where there isn’t a capitalist element. The ones that are doing the best, like the Nordic countries have a high social element. Even the US has a reasonable social element although not as good as it should be and it varies from state to state.
The only Nations where capitalism has failed are those where the Government tried to meddle too much.
It’s a balance, unrestrained capitalism falls over pretty quickly, we have lots of examples of this, the banking collapse of 2008 being one of them.
The banking crises was due to deregulation in some places and not enough regulation in others.
As I said, Government meddlings creating an unnatural market, this is how capitalism fails, through Government meddling.
The whole casino economy is unnatural; in fact there is nothing natural about our financial systems. We just invented and evolved them.
Nevertheless these hybrid systems still work poorly and people accept that where they would not accept such a poor system in other things. This system has never worked well, does not now and never can, it’s inherent. The best you can say is that it is better than some others but it’s not good and could be greatly improved. If it could work well we would have made it so by now.
Thousands of years of actual trial and error and many brands of governing and the only places on the planet where the poor do the best are those with a high degree of capitalism.
Capitalism hasn’t be around that long. Things were mostly feudal before that and/or Emperor led. It’s still not a very good system, we could come up with something better. Some countries are trying and some of them are succeeding.
Facts over emotions.
On Ted Bundy and monsters I agree with you!
This is why when you guys try to paint Trump a monster I can;t take you seriously, we really do have monsters in this world and Trump is not one of them.
Well he’s not Ted Bundy or Fred West but he has the power to kill or harm many more people than Ted Bundy ever could. There was the Syrian missile attack of course. Then there’s how many people will die if Trump care gets through or as a consequence of climate change denial. I think you are on thin ice here!
On cancer, been there. My partner died of cancer aged 43 20 years ago. I know how horrible it is although I believe your friend had a worse time of it from what you say.
Sorry to hear that, and when we see these realities it proves that nobody is promised tomorrow, so we have to make the most of today. This is one of the reasons I can’t do as you on the left and hold hate in my heart.
From some of what you say I don’t know why you support Trump, it sounds like you are just trying to make the best of a bad job. It’s good to be positive but I don’t think that’s going to work here. Trump shows the characteristics of a despotic dictator in all but name, fortunately the political system can put some restraint on him. Anyway, mark my words and those of, I don’t know, maybe a couple of billion people!
You see, that was childish. This is just more hate mongering and attempts to paint him as Hitler or something, he is not Hitler and not even 1% of what Hitler was and every time you say such hate filled things you drive away normal Americans who are sick and tired of the name calling.
Hitler was seen as an inconsequential idiot when he started. I don’t believe Trump will be as bad as that but we will see what he does do or tries to do.
Democrats have lost over 1,000 elections in the past 8 years, in 4 of the recent special elections Democrats have tried to buy those elections vastly out spending the Republicans in those races and still lost. The reason is all this hate. Hope will always “Trump” hate and as long as hate is the only thing you have to offer normal Americans will reject you.
That doesn’t mitigate Trump who is certainly not averse to cheating and bribing his way to what he wants.
Trump won, get over it and move on. Let the hate go, start developing some mainstream ideas instead of relying on name calling on every issue. Talk to people instead of preaching to them. Admit some issues have valid concerns like illegal immigration and people who have those concerns are not racists.
Yes, he won although not by a majority vote. As for immigration aren’t the vast majority of Americans immigrants. The indigenous population was killed, marginalised and the land they occupied taken from them. Then there was slavery. Immigrants are always made the scapegoats for bigots and used to focus hate. I see more hate in America now than there was before Trump came into politics.
Once Hillary came out name calling I knew she lost, Americans do not like that sort of thing. You have to give them something to hope for, trying to drive people to the polls with fear and hate can work in the short term, but after a few years they become numb and stop listening.
Come on, Trump ran one of the most negative campaigns the US has ever seen!
BTW, we have debated before and I am not an American so calling me un-American is not much of an insult.