So now the goalposts shift from collusion to obstruction of justice, how convenient.
Sean Kerry Depp
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I and other are focus on both possible collusion and possible corruption. Looking at both of them is not moving the goalposts. Telling me I can have to pick one is absurd.

  1. Yes…you apparently agree with Alan Dershowitz who thinks Presidents cannot obstruct justice by stopping an investigation. This belief is not universal. Presidents are not your average employee, but most employees are at will employees. So they can be fired for no reason. But they can’t be fired for illegal reasons (Ex. for whistleblowing, being a woman, being disabled, etc)
  2. True…Trump said he was thinking about the Russian investigation when he fired Comey. “ And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.” Did Trump tell Lester Holt on national TV that he fired Comey because Comey was investigating Flynn or his campaign’s ties to Russia? No, but we don’t need an actual smoking gun although that would make all of this easier. Instead we have the following string of events. 1) Trump tells Comey he hopes the investigation goes away. 2) The investigation doesn’t go away. 3) Trump fires Comey. 4) Trump says he was thinking about the investigation when he fired Comey.
  3. Again…yes Trump said “hope” rather than making a clear an unequivocal demand. I agree there is no smoking gun. But the above timeline is evidence of obstruction of justice. As I said before, it’s not clear he would be convicted (assuming he can commit such an act). Regardless it’s an abuse of power which was one of the ground for impeaching Clinton.
  4. Rather than try to characterize what Comey stated he felt, let’s go to the transcript, “Senator Angus King of Maine asked: “When a president of the United States in the Oval Office says something like ‘I hope’ or ‘I suggest’ or ‘would you,’ do you take that as a directive?” Comey replied: “Yes, it rings in my ear as kind of, ‘Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?’” Senator James Risch of Idaho zeroed in on the word “hope”, asking: “He did not direct you to let it go?”Comey acknowledged: “Not in his words, no.” Risch asked: “Again, those words are not an order? He said: ‘I hope.’” Comey replied: “The reason I keep saying his words is, I took it as a direction. This is the president of the United States. I took it as a direction.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/08/james-comey-firing-fbi

Comey made it abundantly clear that he thought he was fired because of the investigation. You’re saying that by agreeing with Comey I am akin to a birther or other conspiracy theorist. I think that’s a really absurd comparison. Although I love that you’re defending Trump while mocking me as being akin to a birther.

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