So, I was thinking about this generation debate and I wanted to clear a few things regarding the…
Markesse Singleton

This is chock full of points, some of which are in conflict with things I didn’t write, some of which are in conflict with the plain facts of the matter.

First, Millennials are those between 1977/78 and 1997/98.

Not according to the people who invented the term. 1982–2004.

What some people are not aware of is that the name comes from graduating high school around the millennium (which the oldest members did).

I don’t think there’s much confusion about where the term comes from.

Second, some folks should know is that generations shouldn’t even be defined by technology as the older groups never were.

The technological changes of the last 30 years were culturally seismic, and the fact that they reshaped the world on an atomic level means they are a fundamental dividing line between generations.

Something else I wanted to point out is that the birth rate had returned to increasing in 1977 (which could be the reason why that’s the beginning) and continued to rise.

The beginning of what? Millennials start in 1982.

If you were in elementary school in the 90s, there’s no way you could be an Xer. They were mostly done by the late 80s.

The Harvard Center, who gave us Generation X, puts the last year of that generation as 1981. I was born in 1981, and I didn’t enter high school until 1995. You are arguing with the dictionary at this point.

I mean how can anyone be in secondary school in the late 90s and 00s and be considered X? It makes no sense.

I wasn’t in secondary school in the 2000s—I graduated in 1999, just like it says in the article. It makes sense because, again, Generation X’s extremity reaches to 1981, which is why Howe and Strauss start the Millennial generation at 1982.

Even if you were in college in the early 2000s, you would still be a Millennial because by then, the atmosphere was clearly Echo-Boomer and the environment of the Xers had already diminished.

We’ve reached a critical point here. The Millennial generation, as defined by the people who made it up, starts in 1982. I was born in 1981, the last year of Generation X. I was also in college in the early 2000s, and yet, amazingly, because of linear time, I am also considered both Generation X and Y. What I’m not considered, according to that same time-space continuum, is a Millennial. I get it out of the way right in the title of the piece: “I’m not a Millennial.”

Now I wanted say something about voting.

Okay, fine, go on.

No Millennial could ever vote for Bill Clinton as they were too young and by 2000, they were barely eligible to vote for Bush/Gore as well.

I think you’re mistaking my reference to the dominant political administration of a generation’s era for saying that the generation voted for them. I wasn’t saying Millennials voted for Clinton because, obviously, I know the oldest weren’t eligible to vote until 2000, because 1982+18=2000.

I voted in the Bush/Gore election, so now you’re not even in agreement with yourself about whether I’m a Millennial. The people who were “barely eligible” to vote in 2000: most of them were born in 1981, which is not part of the Millennial generation (see above, then see above that, then see above that).

Furthermore, most Xers were 30 and over, and were already having families. The Millennials were no where near that age group until a few years ago and were/are mostly still in their 20s in the 2000s and right now.

When? I don’t even know what year we’re in now because we’ve gone from 2000 to 2008. Again, I refer you to the Harvard Center, who have certified me as Generation X and Y, and Howe and Strauss, who certified me as not Millennial. You can argue that oatmeal is yogurt all you want, but it’s literally not, by the definition of both oatmeal and yogurt.

Keep in mind that cell phones even 10 years ago were still standard, slide or flip and that everything else such as social media, searching online and even ordering products were widely used with PCs.


I also wanted to dispel the stereotypes about this generation. How did we even become the safe-spaced, whiny, extremely PCed and “can’t live without technology” generation? We aren’t even like that!

I couldn’t tell you, because it absolutely doesn’t jive with my experience, and post-dates the experience of most of my contemporaries. I was talking about my age group (80s babies) and our affinity for the technology that came about while we were growing into adults.

I even have some older Millennial friends and they are absolutely not like that either.

First of all, “Older Millennial” is a phrase that can just go right ahead and fuck itself. I’m 35, I can run for president, so if you’re not going to call me Generation Y, then how about Presidential Millennial?

Second, your older Millennial friends aren’t like that because they’re Generation Y or—and I know you don’t understand how this is possible—Generation X.

With all of those negative stereotypes associated with this generation that are clearly not true, I don’t understand what’s wrong with being a Millennial.

There’s nothing wrong with being a Millennial. It’s just that I’m not one, so being lumped in with someone else’s cohort is not just rankling, it’s incorrect. The science of calendar-making, which is as old as recorded time, makes that very clear: 1981 is not 1982. That’s why they invented 1982, as Mitch Hedberg might’ve said.

Yeah, there are some out there who are pessimistic and entitled, but that’s not all of them. The media seems to forgotten there are plenty of us who are positive, diligent, and not obnoxious. In addition, we’re not some sexless, jobless and lazy freaks either. Many of us actually have jobs/careers, homes/apartments, are married and/or even have children.

Good god, if that’s what they’re saying about Millennials, then yeah, that does sound bad. But on balance, I don’t think the world is surprised to hear that Millennials have any of those things—those are the things human adults are most likely to have.

Now, what researchers forget is that generations are not monolithic. They need to be split into two groups. It definitely creates less confusion and is a much better way. For example, the Older Millennials and Younger Millennials.

Presidential Millennials. Generations aren’t monolithic, that’s the entire point of the piece. They can be close, if we don’t bundle the wrong people together, which it seems like you’re agreeing with by splitting the generation up. There must be a reason you think there’s a distinction between Millennials, and I agree: Younger Millennials so deeply do not share the experiential background of their elder counterparts that they can’t understand the culturally significant, worldview-shaping differences that would make us want to distinguish ourselves from them or Gen X. That’s the thing about figuring out where to slot in the people who were born around you: you kind of had to be there.

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