From Conflict to Connection: Sara Moses & Nancy Landrum on Transforming Relationships Through Respect
“Respect is the foundation. Without respect, the feelings of love dissipate and disappear. With respect, love keeps growing.” — Nancy Landrum
We have the pleasure to publish a conversation between Sara Moses and Nancy Landrum.
Sara Moses is a professional speaker, podcast host, mindset coach, and best-selling author whose work centers on resilience, self-discovery, and personal transformation. With a Master’s degree in Psychology and a personal history of overcoming profound loss and trauma, she has dedicated her career to empowering others to unlock their potential and live authentically. Known for her polished and optimistic demeanor, Sara’s approach combines academic insight with the wisdom gained from navigating her own life’s challenges.
As the creator and host of the podcast DO IT NOW, Sara delivers a compelling message of hope and action. Through candid conversations with guests ranging from entrepreneurs to activists and artists, the podcast explores themes of triumph over adversity, the dismantling of imposter syndrome, and the relentless pursuit of dreams. Each episode serves as both an exploration of personal stories and a toolkit for listeners seeking practical strategies to overcome fear, procrastination, and self-doubt.
Sara’s work extends beyond her podcast. Her reputation as a dynamic speaker has garnered high praise from industry leaders. Joel Bauer, mentor to figures like Tony Robbins and T. Harv Eker, described her stage presence as “compelling” and characterized her as a “best-kept secret” with genuine life experience. High-ticket sales expert Eileen Wilder lauded her “charisma, confidence, and certainty,” while speaker trainer Debra Lindegren highlighted her ability to captivate audiences with emotionally resonant content. Elijah Bowie, a respected figure in sales, emphasized her sincerity and high integrity, underscoring her ability to form authentic connections.
At the heart of Sara’s work is her commitment to helping individuals overcome trauma and navigate life’s challenges with resilience and purpose. Her coaching focuses on fostering cognitive mastery, developing a growth mindset, and cultivating gratitude as a foundation for personal and professional success. Sara’s clients often describe her as a guiding force, capable of inspiring transformative results through her positivity and deep empathy.
Sara’s perspective on personal growth is informed by her own journey. Having experienced significant tragedy and emerged stronger, she approaches her work with a rare blend of relatability and expertise. Her philosophy emphasizes the importance of mindfulness and the possibility of finding beauty even in the aftermath of loss. For Sara, helping others move beyond survival and toward a thriving, fulfilling life is more than a profession — it is her life’s mission.
Through her writing, speaking engagements, and coaching practice, Sara continues to make a profound impact on individuals and communities. Her dedication to honoring the memory of loved ones, coupled with a desire to inspire others to embrace their unique gifts, fuels her work. Whether on stage, behind the microphone, or in one-on-one coaching sessions, Sara’s message is clear: the time to act is now.
Sara Moses stands as a testament to the strength of the human spirit, offering guidance, inspiration, and a call to action for anyone ready to transform their challenges into opportunities.
Nancy Landrum is a relationship coach, author, and advocate for marriage education, whose work centers on equipping couples with the tools to build enduring, respectful, and loving relationships. Drawing on personal experience and decades of professional practice, Landrum provides actionable guidance to couples navigating the challenges of communication, conflict resolution, and family dynamics. Her coaching style emphasizes respect and intentionality as cornerstones of a thriving partnership, an approach she developed through her own transformative journey.
Landrum’s passion for helping couples stems from early experiences in her own family. Growing up in a household marked by discord, she resolved as a child to create a different model for her own relationships. That aspiration became a lifelong mission, bolstered by a vision she had as a seven-year-old: writing books to help others build happier marriages. Her commitment to this goal never wavered, even as her path to becoming a relationship coach unfolded gradually over decades.
Her journey was not without challenges. Landrum’s first husband passed away when she was a young mother, leaving her to raise two sons alone. Years later, she remarried Jim Landrum, a widower with three children, and together they navigated the complexities of stepfamily dynamics. The early years of their marriage were fraught with conflict, particularly over parenting styles, leading to frequent arguments. Determined to preserve their relationship, the couple sought help, eventually discovering a coach who introduced them to key communication and anger management skills. This marked a turning point in their marriage, culminating in an agreement to uphold mutual respect as a non-negotiable standard. The result was a harmonious and deeply fulfilling partnership that lasted 17 years until Jim’s passing.
Inspired by their success, the couple co-authored How to Stay Married & Love It: Solving the Puzzle of a Soulmate Marriage, the first of Nancy Landrum’s eight books. They began teaching relationship skills at local churches and stepfamily support groups, sharing strategies to help others achieve what they had learned. Landrum later pursued a master’s degree in spiritual psychology to deepen her expertise, further solidifying her credibility in the field.
Following Jim’s death, Landrum continued their work, developing a private coaching practice and expanding her outreach through additional books, webinars, and digital courses. In 2016, she launched the Millionaire Marriage Club, an online program offering couples practical tools to improve communication, build emotional connections, and resolve conflicts without fighting. Recognizing the unique challenges faced by blended families, she later created a specialized version of the course, Millionaire Marriage Club: The Stepping Together Edition, which incorporates research-backed strategies for stepfamilies.
Landrum’s approach to coaching distinguishes her from traditional marriage counseling. She emphasizes skill-building and accountability, empowering couples to take ownership of their relationship dynamics. Her clients often come to her as a last resort, on the brink of divorce, but many find renewed hope and happiness through her methods. Landrum sees this work not only as a way to save individual marriages but also as a means to strengthen families and communities.
A vocal advocate for the value of marriage education, Landrum envisions a cultural shift where seeking help for a troubled marriage becomes as routine as any other form of self-improvement. She believes that equipping couples with communication and conflict management skills can dramatically reduce the divorce rate and its far-reaching consequences. Her ultimate goal is to normalize the idea of marriage coaching as a proactive, preventative measure, fostering healthier relationships across generations.
Landrum’s impact extends beyond her coaching sessions. Her writings, public speaking engagements, and online courses have reached audiences worldwide. She remains deeply committed to her mission, often collaborating with other professionals to raise awareness about the benefits of marriage education. Despite the emotional demands of her work, she finds immense fulfillment in witnessing her clients’ transformations and the ripple effects on their families.
Through her resilience, dedication, and expertise, Nancy Landrum has emerged as a leading voice in relationship coaching. Her story serves as a testament to the power of respect, intentionality, and perseverance in creating lasting love. For those willing to embrace change and invest in their relationships, Landrum offers not just guidance but hope for a brighter, more connected future.
Hello everyone. I’m Sarah Moses, the host of the Do It Now podcast, and today I’ll be interviewing Nancy Landrum, the creator of the Millionaire Marriage Club. I can’t wait to hear about that and what it all means. And I think you’re a relationship expert, correct? So, I’m going to throw it over to you and let you tell us all about your background and how you got started.
Nancy Landrum: If I want to go way back, I’ll start with when I was 3 years old. That’s when I decided I was going to have a more loving marriage than it looked like my parents had.
And then, when I learned to read, I imagined myself writing books to help other people have better relationships. I don’t know where that calling came from, but it was very clear. What I didn’t know — and it was probably a good thing I didn’t know — was that I’d go through 40 years of really tough lessons before I had anything worth writing about.
My first husband died very young and unexpectedly, leaving me with two baby boys. That was not my life plan. It took me quite a while to regain my balance. I was a single mom for 13 years before I met and married Jim Landrum, who was also a widower. He had three children, so we ended up with four teenagers between us. We decided to continue single parenting them because it was a terrible time in their lives to try to make them accept another parental figure. But we did want to co-parent his eight-year-old son.
Here’s where the challenge came in: we had very different definitions of what it meant to be a good parent. Jim was far more permissive than I was. I was much more into rules and consequences — always with a lot of love, of course — but raising two boys by myself had left me terrified of losing control of them. So I was really focused on boundaries and structure. Jim, on the other hand, had a much more laid-back parenting style.
We started haggling over how to parent his eight-year-old son, and that gradually escalated into almost daily fights.
I was sure I was right, and my goal was to convince him that he was wrong. Jim’s goal, of course, was to convince me that I was wrong and that he was right — which, of course, is the foundation of all fights.
So we kept going for about six years before we finally realized we weren’t going to resolve this on our own — it was only getting worse. We knew we needed help. It took us a year to find effective help. We tried three different therapists who weren’t helpful, we read books, went to pastoral counselors, attended workshops, but nothing seemed to address what we needed. Finally, we found a coach who taught us how to deliver any message — say anything we wanted to say — but in a respectful way, so it wouldn’t trigger defensiveness.
Up until then, my favorite communication methods were sarcastic put-downs or yelling, and Jim’s favorite was the accusatory “you.” You know, “Why didn’t you do that?” or “You should have done this.” Of course, those approaches just triggered defensive reactions in each other, escalating into fights.
The first time we sat down in our room to talk about a hot issue using the methods our coach was teaching us, it felt like trying to communicate in a foreign language. We had to use words, combinations of words, and a tone of voice that were completely unfamiliar to us by then.
But we made it through 45 minutes without it escalating into a fight — for the first time ever.
Sarah Moses: Wonderful. I don’t want to skip over this too quickly because I want to go back to something you said. You mentioned the main lesson your coach taught you was to say things in a respectful way. That was basically the main point she taught you, and from there, you were able to move forward?
Nancy Landrum: Exactly. She taught us what “respectful” actually sounded like. We didn’t know. So, we learned to say things like, “When you do this, I feel…” instead of, “You hurt me,” or, “You shouldn’t have done that.” Or to phrase something like, “My opinion is…” or, “What I wish we could do is…” rather than, “You’re wrong, I’m right, get on board with me, and everything will be fine.” It was all about rephrasing words in a really simple way. But it was really hard to do. We had to overcome years of bad habits that had been ingrained in our brains. That was the hard part.
Sarah Moses: I can imagine. It’s like breaking a bad habit, and we all get into those patterns. I’m sure many people listening can relate — once you’ve been talking that way for years and years, it’s hard to change. And for some people, they may have been spoken to that way by their parents, so that’s where they learned it, right? You really have to be intentional and careful about what words are coming out of your mouth, correct?
Nancy Landrum: Exactly. For the first few weeks, I felt like I was in a verbal straitjacket. I couldn’t let anything come out of my mouth until I reviewed it first. I had to ask myself, “How is this going to sound to Jim? Does it align with what our coach is teaching us?”
And that first day, when we talked without escalating into a fight, it was exhausting. We both had to think through everything we said. So we agreed to set the issue aside and come back to it the next day. The next day, when we sat down, Jim held his arms open to me. As I stepped into his arms, he said, “That felt so respectful. Let’s do our best to treat each other with respect.” At that moment, we both made a commitment to treat each other with respect. And that completely shifted my goal. My goal was no longer to convince him that he was wrong and I was right.
My new goal became making sure that whatever came out of my mouth was respectful. After that, we never had another fight.
Sarah Moses: Wow. I mean, my jaw is on the floor because it sounds like you and Jim were both so serious about making this work. You were intentional and committed — not just to the process, but to each other. It sounds like just seeing how much improvement you had in your relationship in that one day, even for just 45 minutes, really motivated you both. How much better did you feel after that?
Nancy Landrum: So good. You know, I have to say, there was an advantage to being so desperate. I probably shouldn’t say this online, but we were so tired of hurting each other and being hurt that we were ready to follow any instruction that made sense to us. And when it worked that one day for 45 minutes, we made an agreement: if Jim heard a sarcastic tone of voice coming out of my mouth, he could respectfully say, “Nancy, I want to hear what you’re saying, but please say it more respectfully.”
And if Jim started pointing his finger and saying, “You,” I’d respectfully ask him to say it without the accusatory tone. He would immediately adjust. So we were literally coaching each other to stay within the boundaries of respectful speech and tone. Because of that, it only took about four or five weeks for us to develop the habit of speaking to each other respectfully. And within a week or two after that, after having what I now call “skilled discussions,” we finally agreed on a solution to our issue that worked for both of us.
You know, Gary Chapman says, “There are no problems that cannot be solved. There are only people unwilling to solve them.” I had a client just last week tell me, “Skilled discussions are magic.” If two people are willing to learn how to have a skilled discussion, they can resolve anything.
And this was a client who said that after only five or six sessions.
Sarah Moses: Wonderful. What a great skill to have. It sounds both simple and, at the same time, challenging. I think the complicated part is what you described — it requires being very careful about what comes out of your mouth. It’s like pausing, really thinking before you speak, and also being less reactive. Because, as you said, the other person isn’t going to get it perfectly right away either.
Nancy Landrum: Exactly. We also had to learn good anger management skills because, like many couples, we could trigger each other in an instant. The guiding principle for both of us — and I’ll just speak for myself — was this: if I felt myself getting so angry that I couldn’t speak respectfully, I’d say, “I need 15 minutes to calm down.”
Then I’d leave the conversation, write down all my nasty thoughts in my journal, or take a walk to calm down. But I always came back when I said I would.
Just walking away isn’t a good time-out. You need to tell your partner, “I need a time-out because I’m afraid of what I’m about to say. I’ll regret it,” and then give them a specific amount of time — whatever you think you’ll need to calm down. But you have to come back when you say you will. It made such a difference for us.
Sarah Moses: These are such valuable tools. I’m assuming you had great success with this in your marriage because you eventually went on to write books about it, right?
Nancy Landrum: Yes. A couple of years later, when our marriage was completely stable, we had gone two years without a single fight or harsh word between us. Jim suggested we start teaching a class to help other couples learn what we had learned. We’d had so much trouble finding effective help, and he thought we could make a difference. So, we started teaching a class called How to Stay Married and Love It. We wanted to stay married like our parents had, but we also wanted to love our marriage more than it looked like they did.
Jim was so supportive. He even suggested I go back and finish my master’s degree, which I did. After graduation, I wrote the book How to Stay Married and Love It.
Sarah Moses: How to Stay Married and Love It. Oh, what a great title. Isn’t that the truth? I mean, we all know people who stay married, but they don’t necessarily enjoy it. They may not be close. The point isn’t just to stay married — it’s to love it.
Nancy Landrum: Exactly. This book covers the four corner pieces, the foundation, and then the second subsequent book covers the rest of the puzzle pieces.
Sarah Moses: So then, with this knowledge and these books, you began private coaching?
Nancy Landrum: I began private coaching couples who had a hard time putting things into practice that they were hearing in class. They needed more support. Then, in 2004, Jim was diagnosed with terminal cancer and passed away a year later. After the dust settled and things stabilized, I realized there was nothing else I cared passionately about doing with my life. So, I began teaching classes again and coaching couples. Altogether, from our first class to now, I’ve been coaching couples or teaching classes for 30 years and have written a total of eight books.
Sarah Moses: Wow, impressive, very impressive. And how beautiful that it all started from the little seed of you and your husband really, really struggling. Then, as you said, it was difficult to find help, but you did find something that worked — worked so well — and then you became an expert on it, even on your own. I mean, this is an amazing story. Thirty years! I can’t imagine how many marriages are together because of you — and happily, you know.
Nancy Landrum: I think I’ve coached or taught several hundred couples. I never kept track of the numbers, but we got pretty good results.
Sarah Moses: Yeah, and there’s such a ripple effect to that, you know, because it’s not just the couples that you’ve helped — it’s their children, right?
Nancy Landrum: Oh, I’m so glad you brought that up, because that gives me goosebumps. It’s the ripple effect that I care about the most. I don’t want any child growing up in a home where parents are fighting. I don’t want any child to be raised in an emotionally barren home like I was. And the fun part for me is when a couple grabs the skills, works hard at using them, and then turns around and starts using them with their children or even teaching them to their children.
I’ve got to tell you the best story. This wife was raised in an Italian family where there was constant fighting and yelling. The husband, on the other hand, tended to withdraw emotionally, which only made her angrier. So, they fought a lot. Then they started seeing me. One day, as they were leaving for their session, their six-year-old son asked, “Where are you going?” They said, “Well, we’re going to a class to learn how to stop fighting.” So, he started calling it the fighting class.
A few weeks later, the couple was in their living room, talking quietly. Their six-year-old walked in and asked, “What’s going on?” The dad said, “We’re just talking.” And the six-year-old said, “You guys are doing really good — you hardly ever fight anymore!”
That little boy and his three-year-old sister are being raised in a home very different from what they would have experienced if their parents hadn’t been so committed to changing their skills.
Sarah Moses: Yeah, that’s amazing. I feel blessed because I’m learning so much from you. I’ve had other people on my podcast, and it’s interesting how many people help others with their relationships and communication. I’m picking up so much from all of you, and it’s so wonderful. Because, as you said, it’s not just about our romantic relationships — it’s also about how we communicate with our children. Maybe we can even take it into the office — how we communicate there. Think about it: if you’re communicating at work but not doing it in a respectful way, you’re probably not getting the outcomes you want or building the relationships you need at work.
Nancy Landrum: I’ve had so many of my clients give me examples of how they started using the listening skill at work or delivering a message in respectful language, and how it’s improving their work environment.
Sarah Moses: Now, you mentioned speaking in a respectful way. What is the listening lesson?
Nancy Landrum: Let’s see. When there’s fighting going on, there are usually two people talking and nobody’s listening. Jim used to ask our classes, “Who’s the smartest one when a fight is going on?” They’d look kind of dumbfounded, and he’d finally say, “It’s the one who stops talking and begins listening.”
And that’s the truth. We all have what I call a two-year-old inside. Two-year-olds aren’t very good at being generous or listening. They want the candy right now, and they’ll throw a tantrum if they don’t get it.
Well, even though we’re in adult bodies, we all have a two-year-old inside. “I want you to listen to me, and then I’ll listen to you.” But the more mature, adult, frontal cortex part of our brain will say, “That doesn’t work. Stop and listen.” When you listen, repeat back what you understand the other person is saying. That way, you make sure you understand it correctly.
So many fights are triggered or escalated by misunderstandings. I misinterpret what you say, I take it personally, and I’m not really focused on understanding where you’re coming from. But the person who is adult enough or mature enough to stop, begin listening, and repeat back what they heard changes the whole dynamic of the conversation. It stops the fight immediately.
Sarah Moses: And it’s so good as you’re describing it because, if you’re listening, knowing that you need to repeat back what they said, you really need to understand it. You’re not doing that thing I see many people do, where they’re just listening, waiting to give their response. That habit, right? I mean, this approach forces you to actually listen.
Nancy Landrum: Yes. Most of us, when we’re being silent and listening, are actually formulating our rebuttal. We’re figuring out what we’re going to say next and how to prove the other person wrong. And that’s not adult listening — that’s like a two-year-old manipulating the conversation.
Sarah Moses: Yes, yes. And what do you think about this idea? Because it seems to work well for me — I like to ask the other person for more time. For example, sometimes I’ll say, “Would it be okay if we waited 24 hours to have this conversation?” I’ve found that for me, and for others, the thing we’re so upset or heated about seems to lose its fire after a full day. There’s not as much upset, and it’s easier to have a calm conversation. Is that a good skill to have, or do you think it’s better to resolve things sooner?
Nancy Landrum: I recommend it — but I’d even suggest going beyond 24 hours. For example, if you’ve had an upset at 9 o’clock at night, don’t try to resolve it at 9 o’clock at night. You’re not at your best. But you do need to set a specific time the following day to resume the conversation.
Now, 24 hours is great — as long as you’re not using that time to nurse your hurt feelings. That doesn’t work. You need to use that time to do things that calm you down. Sometimes, I’ve recommended that people use the time to write a nasty letter. Write down whatever you want to say — but then burn it. Get that negative energy out of your body.
Anger is such a powerful emotion — it has so much energy. And sometimes you can’t just tell yourself to calm down. The anger needs a release, like a volcano. Vent by screaming into a pillow, vent by going for a walk around the block, or vent by writing a nasty letter. Do whatever works for you.
I journaled a lot. I had volumes of journals during the bad years. But it’s about being deliberate — giving yourself access to a practice that helps you release that negative energy in a healthy way.
Sarah Moses: Wow, these are such great ideas. Now, I want to make sure we have enough time to talk about where your journey has taken you. Your books led you to coaching, and you’ve done 30 years of that. Now you’re involved in TEDx talks. I’d love for you to share how that came about for you.
Nancy Landrum: I began contributing articles to Authority Magazine, which is an online magazine devoted to good news. Then, I was invited by the editor to be a regular contributor. I’d send out interview questions on various topics, and most of mine have to do with relationships. When those interviews came back and were published in Authority Magazine, I’d contact the person who was interviewed and ask if I could do a brief video interview with them. That video would then be attached to their article on Authority Magazine and Medium Magazine.
Then Yitzi Weiner, the editor, said, “You know, the next step for you is to organize a TEDx.” He made it sound so easy that I jumped at the idea. Now, a few months later, I’m realizing it’s not easy at all! But I’ve been granted a license, and this will be the first TEDx event ever held in my community, which is Murrieta, California.
I’ve got eight speakers lined up with amazing topics, and I’m so excited to promote them. For anyone who wants to find out more, the website for the event is simply tedxmurrieta.com. The theme is “Healing in the 21st Century,” and the event is on February 5th.
Since it’s my first time being granted a license, there’s a limit of 100 attendees. I can only sell 100 tickets, and that’s it. You can buy tickets on the website.
Sarah Moses: You’re doing so many exciting things! This is wonderful. After TEDx, is there something else you’re dreaming about? What’s next for you?
Nancy Landrum: I’m currently writing my ninth book. The title is Divorce Doesn’t Work.
Now, I want to be clear — I do believe there are marriages that need to end, and I’m not questioning that. But in my experience, there are so many marriages that need better skills, not divorce. So I’m making a really strong case for marriage education in this book.
Sarah Moses: Oh, such a great concept. I mean, beautiful. And I think when people are in that anger and pain of wanting a divorce — some of my friends years ago, when they would be at schools sharing information, and I knew they had young children — I hated to say this line because it felt cold, but I said to them, “If you think you’re unhappy now, just wait until you’re divorced with small children, because the pain is going to be so much worse.” You know, they need skills like what you’re teaching, so this is wonderful.
Nancy Landrum: I think they need a way to get out of the pain, and the only way they think they have is divorce. But divorce doesn’t get people out of pain; it creates generational pain — not only for them, but for their children. Most people who divorce remarry, and often the new marriage has the same issues, the same level of unhappiness that the first marriage had. That’s why second and subsequent marriages have much higher divorce rates than first marriages. We take our garbage with us.
And if you’re not willing to learn the skills the first time around, then you’re going to recreate the same kind of pain in any future relationship — not to mention the pain for the children.
I’m still two-thirds of the way through writing it, and the plan is that organizing a TEDx event gives me a more national platform. After the TEDx event, my publicist is going to look for a representative to connect me with the big publishing companies. We’ll see what they say. I wanted to make the title as controversial as possible so it really grabs attention, and — I think, from the look on your face, the title works.
Sarah Moses: Yes. And I think a lot of people need to read it, so that’s amazing. Which leads to the question I wanted to ask you — which I think you’ve already answered — but what is the main characteristic of every healthy, lasting marriage?
Nancy Landrum: Respect is the foundation. Without respect, the feelings of love or being in love dissipate and disappear. With respect, the feeling of loving or being in love keeps being nurtured. It keeps growing.
That’s why, you know, once in a while I just delight in seeing a much older couple walking down the sidewalk holding hands. Doesn’t that just warm your heart? Well, they’re probably a couple who, if I could interview them, have been treating each other with affection and respect for umpteen years.
We think being in love is enough, but it’s not enough. Falling in love is so easy — it’s giddy, it’s fun, it energizes us — but it doesn’t last over time unless there is respect.
Sarah Moses: Yes, such a good lesson here about respect. It’s as important as love — if not more — because the statistics show that while falling in love is a great way to get a relationship off the ground, the skill that keeps a relationship successful over time is knowing how to manage conflict. Every marriage has conflict. Every couple, at some point, will experience it, and if you don’t know how to manage it respectfully, it eats away at your love.
You’ve shared such incredible wisdom with us today and with my listeners. Thank you so much! I want to remind everyone that if they want to get tickets — which I’m sure will sell out quickly because there are only 100 seats — it’s at TEDxMurrieta.com, happening February 5, 2025. And if people want to find you, Nancy, to work with you directly or learn more about what you’re doing, is it www.millionairemarriageclub.com? That’s the best place to find you, right? Is there anything else you’d like to share with my listeners?
Nancy Landrum: I just want to thank you for the privilege of being on your podcast. I’m so grateful for the opportunity to share my message, and I think you’re doing such a great job. Keep it up!
Sarah Moses: Thank you. I will. I love the idea that someone out there will listen to this, and it will help their relationship. Maybe they’ll even sit down with their spouse and go through the great skills you’ve recommended today. I know I’m already stepping away from this wanting to be more respectful in how I communicate with everyone. If you just put that at the forefront, it’s such a beautiful framework.
Nancy Landrum: Yes. When we’re trying to change a skill, the bottom step is, “I know something’s wrong, but I don’t know what it is.” The next step is, “I’ve learned enough to know what’s wrong, but I’m having trouble changing my habit.” So, you have to practice a lot. The third step is, “I know what’s wrong, I know how to switch from the wrong way to the right way, and I’m getting better at it.” Finally, the last step is, “I know this new behavior so well that I don’t even have to think about it anymore because it’s my new normal.”
Sarah Moses: Oh, that’s so beautiful. And as we live our lives with the skills you’ve taught, others can see it and model it. Our children, our coworkers — everyone benefits. It’s such a beautiful ripple effect, right?
Nancy Landrum: Yes. In fact, that’s the name of one of the chapters in the new book.
Sarah Moses: Oh, that’s perfect! Well, everyone, you can find Nancy at millionairemarriageclub.com, and I’ll include all the links in the description below.
Thank you all for listening today. Whatever dream you have, whatever change you want to make in your life — whether it’s improving your marriage, friendships, or other relationships — go out and do it now. The worst thing you can do is not become the person you’re meant to be in this lifetime. Thank you for listening!
