Susan Eckert MA On How To Learn To Finally Love Yourself

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22 min readJun 12, 2024

Set yourself up to win by setting and achieving small goals — this will develop not only your confidence, but belief in yourself — which of course is a wonderful ingredient that moves you closer to self-love.

As a part of our series about “How To Learn To Finally Love Yourself” we had the pleasure to interview Susan Eckert MA, CH, an intuitive Self-Discovery Through Feminine Energy Coach. Susan has a graduate degree in Psychology, over 15-years professional experience in People Development, and is the creator of The H.E.R Rapid Transformation Method™ and signature course “What were you born to do?” Her work integrates certifications in energy balancing & hypnosis in addition to other tools that support a holistic approach to career and life transformation. Her clients learn to override their inner critic by reconnecting with their inner voice/intuition & deepening awareness of their unique “internal operating systems” (their authentic strengths, needs, passion & purpose) so they can embrace radical self-acceptance and get seen, heard & valued as they show up authentically and fully empowered. She can be reached via her website: https://www.susaneckertma.com

Thank you so much for joining us! I’d love to begin by asking you to give us the backstory as to what brought you to this specific career path.

Thank you so much for having me! As an intuitive, introvert, and empath (I’m actually an HSP, which is a Highly Sensitive Person), I spent most of my life believing that these characteristics were weaknesses. My parents, teachers & even my bosses at work pushed me to be less sensitive and more extraverted. The message was clear: Who I was naturally, wasn’t enough.

When working in male-dominated, highly competitive corporations resulted in burnout, I quit to figure out how I could leverage my education and experience working for myself. It wasn’t long before I learned that I wasn’t alone in feeling “less than.” 80% of women, regardless of their achievements, feel “not enough” and a majority of men also struggle with feelings of inadequacy. It’s a silent epidemic no one’s talking about.

Is it any wonder that this is the case when from the day we’re born, we’re bombarded with images of cultural clones pushing imaginary “ideals?”

I reviewed my own experiences growing up. The messages I’d received whether spoken or covert. And I realized I needed to erase many of those and figure out who I was, where my strengths really lie, and what was most important to me.

Doing this led to a fascinating result: I learned that my “weaknesses” are in fact my greatest strengths! My introversion leads me to have a rich inner world, a vivid imagination, and to think deeply and systemically. My empath nature actually helps me help others — to read between the lines on what’s left unsaid; to use other people’s energy rather than their words as a much more accurate gauge for what they’re thinking and how they’re feeling.

This epiphany changed my life. Listen, swimming upstream is difficult…unless you’re a salmon.

All my life I’d been expected to swim upstream even though I am not a salmon. I’m a goldfish!

In many ways, I was set up to fail.

My mission is to help others — particularly those who are often overlooked because they don’t conform to societal ideals — to identify & work from their authentic gifts. To define success on their own terms. And to embrace radical self-acceptance, because the truth is we ALL bring something different, something valuable to the table.

Are you working on any exciting new projects now? How do you hope that they might help people along their path to self-understanding or a better sense of wellbeing in their relationships?

I am! I’m preparing to launch a book, as well as a new podcast/Youtube Channel called “The Feminine Soul Whisperer™”. I feel a big part of the problem with self-acceptance and personal growth is that we’ve been taught to look outside ourselves for answers to what we should look like, be like, and value that we’ve lost authentic connection to our inner knowing. That calm inner voice that guides us to be our authentic selves. Instead, we’ve allowed the loud inner critic to bully us with comparison-itis, perfectionism, and messages that we aren’t enough. Comparing and competing with external ideals gives rise to this inner bully and it keeps us playing small, disguising our talents, and in the mode of being strangers to ourselves. As a mindfulness & meditation instructor and practitioner I hope the podcast will inspire others to bring their attention and focus internally so they can differentiate between the two voices. That it will help them amplify their connection to their true inner voice. Magical things happen when we accept and become true to who we really are.

Do you have a personal story that you can share with our readers about your struggles or successes along your journey of self-understanding and self-love? Was there ever a tipping point that triggered a change regarding your feelings of self acceptance?

When I quit corporate life, I considered it “failure.”

“15 years wasted,” the inner critic said to me.

It was then I realized that listening to everyone else had led me down the path I’d taken in the first place, and that if I wanted a different outcome, I’d better start listening to my own voice.

But my voice had become so drowned out for so long that it took months of sitting in quiet, meditation, and creative expression to re-acquaint myself with that soft inner guidance. The more I re-connected, the more I realized the incredible opportunity, the amazing gift I’d given myself by leaving my corporate job. I wanted to be an author, a solopreneur, a trainer, and an educator. The narrow box I’d been squeezed into by corporate life had clipped my wings. As my own boss I was free to do all the things, and that’s exactly what I did!

While friends and family pointed out how difficult it was to get a publishing deal…how most businesses fail within the first year…how you couldn’t be all the things AND be a mom (my son was a toddler at the time)…I stopped listening to these external voices, and instead, started honoring my own.

As it turns out, I got the publishing deal and my book Intercultural Communication sold internationally. I launched my career coaching business and helped many frustrated professionals pivot in their careers. I designed and facilitated my signature training program “Understanding Cultural Diversity” at a number of organizations to rave review. And I taught my signature course “What were you born to do?” at a local University which was attended by fresh high school graduates through retirees all asking, “What’s next?” And since I created my own schedule, I made sure to leave plenty of time to enjoy my little one and be a mom.

There is no better confidence-builder than setting a goal and achieving it. I’d achieved them all in a relatively short period of time which let me know in no uncertain terms that I’d made the right decision, and that my “failure” at corporate life was instead a beautiful re-birthing & unfolding of my authentic gifts.

According to a recent study cited in Cosmopolitan, in the US, only about 28 percent of men and 26 percent of women are “very satisfied with their appearance.” Could you talk about what some of the causes might be, as well as the consequences?

I recently came across an article stating that many 3- and 4-year girls are already at that young age struggling with their looks, believing they’re ugly, and thinking that painting their face will help. It’s shocking! And eye-opening!

From picture books, to commercials, TV shows and movies, and throughout social media, we push images of an “ideal.” Children are not oblivious to this. As we grow, ads convince us that we can be so much more beautiful if only we buy now. There is this ongoing and ever-pervasive message that we should always be reaching for something more…something different…the promise of beauty in a bottle, a needle, or under the knife. The faces of celebrities and models appear forever young, so we cringe at the creeping lines and wrinkles our mirrors reflect back. Retouching and plastic surgery can remedy the earliest signs of aging. But once someone, usually a woman, is beyond repair, beyond the ability to attract and/or reproduce, she silently disappears.

The consequences of these beauty standards are poor body-image. Low self-acceptance, self-esteem, self-love. We assess our value according to external standards and ideals. We attempt to measure ourselves against impossible standards, strive for perfection, and always fall short.

But another more empowering outcome is The Rebel: the voice that will not be silenced. The 70-year old woman who refuses to fade into the background and who, instead, wears bright colors and owns her ageless beauty wrinkles and all. The curvy model who confidently applies for the swimsuit magazine cover. The filmmaker who casts the African woman as a Queen.

To some, the concept of learning to truly understand and “love yourself,” may seem like a cheesy or trite concept. But it is not. Can you share with our readers a few reasons why learning to love yourself it’s truly so important?

We would never consider known cures for mental illness, physical ailments, or social ills cheesy or trite and yet self-love is perhaps the most powerful preventative for most of these! People with fixed mindsets believe growth is impossible, “this is just the way things are,” “I am who I am (as a way to explain their faults or defend an unwillingness to show up strong).” They believe the lies they’ve been told about not being enough. The relegate their power to others — blaming parents, teachers, partners, or others for their lack of success or lack of joy…when reclaiming their authority & authenticity would enable them to make choices that would support both.

Loving yourself opens the door to personal growth. Show me a person who’s “stuck” in life and I’ll show you a person who could learn to love themselves more.

When we learn to love ourselves, we feel more confident in who we are, a greater sense of self-worth, which means we are clear about how and what we contribute to others. We make choices that honor our authenticity and truth. We feel less need to compete with others, to put others down in order to feel better about ourselves. We’re more likely to empathize with others because we are less likely to perceive the actions of others as attacks and therefore feel less need to react by defending ourselves. We are more likely to engage with others in an authentic way which is key to fostering healthy, long-term relationships.

Why do you think people stay in mediocre relationships? What advice would you give to our readers regarding this?

When people stay in mediocre relationships (whether that’s a relationship with another person or an employment relationship), there’s a clear indication they can do a better job at learning to love themselves.

When we sacrifice what brings us joy, our true self-expression, our desires & values, we’re saying to ourselves that the other person’s needs are more important than our own.

We’re saying that we either don’t believe we’re worthy of better, or we don’t feel we’re capable of attracting better.

People who love themselves get clear on their values and lovingly and firmly assert them.

People who love themselves own the responsibility for creating joy in their lives and don’t rely on others to create it for them.

People who love themselves speak up and stand up for themselves — not from a place of self-centeredness but self-preservation.

People who love themselves practice self-care, understanding that their wellbeing means they’re better able to care for others.

People who love themselves are willing to do the hard work of challenging beliefs they’ve inherited from others when they realize these beliefs are causing internal discomfort.

People who love themselves will do the hard work to improve a mediocre relationship…or if that fails, to relinquish it.

When I talk about self-love and understanding I don’t necessarily mean blindly loving and accepting ourselves the way we are. Many times self-understanding requires us to reflect and ask ourselves the tough questions, to realize perhaps where we need to make changes in ourselves to be better not only for ourselves but our relationships. What are some of those tough questions that will cut through the safe space of comfort we like to maintain, that our readers might want to ask themselves? Can you share an example of a time that you had to reflect and realize how you needed to make changes?

When I love myself, I give myself permission to reclaim authenticity. To return to me.

Listen, we’ve all be socialized to believe, think, feel, do things in a way that may or may not be authentic for us. What this means is once we decide to honor our own internal guidance rather than what THEY say, there’s inevitably a period of unlearning that has to follow.

Loving myself means I give myself permission to undo what I’ve learned that doesn’t serve my authentic self-expression. But also, to engage in a period of re-learning to fill the gap.

Contrary to what we might have been taught, self-love, when in partnership with an unfolding of the truth about who we really are, is never selfish.

In honoring the truth of who we really are, we are inevitably owning the truth of every individual’s right to be who they are…and the truth about who we all are…which is, ultimately, spiritual beings having a human experience.

When we honor our truth in self-love, there’s a magical thing that happens — we simultaneously build fortitude to be wrong, to be imperfect, to own our mistakes, to say sorry. Knowing that by doing any of these things, we are growing.

3 questions we can ask ourselves to ensure self-love is in alignment with personal growth are:

  • What could self-love ideally look like for me and how would this also serve others?
  • What is most important to me in life? How does this serve me and others?
  • How might I receive constructive feedback in a way that honors self-love, ongoing growth, and my cherished relationships?

An example from my own experience goes back to the time when I left my corporate job. After I left, my husband anticipated that I would become a stay-at-home mom. More than that, he preferred it. But, when I examined my values (independence, creating solutions, helping others) I realized that while raising a child was important, self-love and self-expression ignited within me the motivation and desire to work. As I saw it, there were so many problems waiting to be solved; so many people needing my help. I gathered my thoughts, shared my truth, and made sure to highlight all the ways our family would benefit from my continued career exploration, and soon, he was on board.

So many don’t really know how to be alone, or are afraid of it. How important is it for us to have, and practice, that capacity to truly be with ourselves and be alone (literally or metaphorically)?

I honestly believe that the fear of being alone comes down to an aversion to the inner critic. Who wants to hang around bullies? No one! So, we avoid being alone because that’s when, unless we can manage to keep ourselves constantly distracted, the inner bully gets loud. And if we haven’t yet learned that the inner critic is not us, then this can feel like being trapped with an inescapable enemy we think is us.

But this is also precisely why spending time alone, as we develop a practice of mindfulness and stillness, is so important. Only by doing this can we learn to discern the voice of the inner critic versus the true inner voice of our intuition and inner knowing. The former can be dramatic in its catastrophizing. While the latter is never so — instead it speaks in soft, understated tones, not unlike the way a loving grandmother would. Learning to turn down the volume on the inner critic and turn up the volume on the inner knowing is a skill we can develop. But it takes practice. And time spent. Alone.

Whenever my clients announce a belief they hold to be true, one which appears to be blocking them from whatever it is they seek, I will ask: “Who said that?!”

Interestingly, they can often point to someone — a parent, teacher, ex-partner, friend — whose voice has been echoing and bumping around in their own heads for way too long. Once prompted to examine it, they are then free to disown and release the belief — removing the block that had them stuck.

Once we connect with that true inner voice we learn we are powerful, loving, a unique miracle of life.

How does achieving a certain level of self-understanding and self-love then affect your ability to connect with and deepen your relationships with others?

I can think of a few ways: Consistency. Compassion. Clarity. Communication. Connection.

When we understand and honor ourselves, we are better able to communicate what’s important to us, how we honestly feel about things. And because we’ve done the work ourselves, we’re better equipped to have compassion for ourselves and others. All of these are essential ingredients for healthy connection and relationship-building.

In your experience, what should a) individuals and b) society, do to help people better understand themselves and accept themselves?

Individuals would benefit from viewing personal growth not as a linear path that ends once we get to a certain age, but as a never-ending spiral — an unfolding, an ongoing expansion that continues as long as we live and breathe. In fact, this type of growth mindset would empower us to live like breathing — exhaling and releasing what no longer serves us; inhaling and integrating new information as we evolve.

But our environments can also do a lot to support development of this mindset from an early age. Teachers, parents, and leaders should be encouraged to learn the importance of empowering individuals to connect with their genuine strengths — not society’s preferred traits.

Growing up, sadly the greatest pressure I felt to conform to preferred ways of being and doing things came from those in these positions of authority and power.

Being curious about each individual — what they uniquely bring to the table — benefits not only the individual, but the people around them.

Imagine teams where everyone feels empowered to contribute from the fullness of their particular talents.

Imagine a classroom where instead of expecting students to learn and show up in a singular, expected way, they are encouraged to learn, share, and engage in ways that enable them to thrive.

Imagine the possibility for transformation if we created a world that prized curiosity and collaboration over conformity and competition.

Here is the main question of our discussion. What are 5 strategies that you implement to maintain your connection with and love for yourself, that our readers might learn from? Could you please give a story or example for each?

I’m happy to share 5 strategies I use with my clients to help them create an empowered identity that supports self-discovery, and which nurtures self-love.

1 . Shed social conditioning

In one culture, crop tops are a serious no-no.
In another, they’re a fashion statement, particularly in warm weather months.

What’s the difference? Culture.

We’ve all been influenced, shaped, and trained to align with cultural ideas about what’s good and what’s bad; what’s appropriate for us, and what’s not.

It’s all subjective but for many people, it’s also sadly, seldom questioned.

When we look closer at “culture” we notice it’s a tree with many, many branches.

Country of origin. Religion. Class. Color. Gender. Region. Professional niche. Political affiliation.

These are just some of the particular lenses we inherit — all cumulatively shaping our idea about who we are.

Problem is, they’re inherited. Not consciously chosen.

So, for example, when I was growing up in New York, teachers found my quiet, introverted nature to be unfortunate given my intelligence level. “No one will know you’re super smart,” they’d tell me and so they’d pressure me to behave in a more extraverted way.

Extraversion is highly valued in America, particularly in NY.

But it wasn’t authentic for ME.

I tortured myself for years trying to become extraverted, and totally missing the point, which was this: my introversion is one of my greatest strengths! So much so that I now consider it a superpower.

When we start to think independently — learning to question what everyone else is doing and saying — and instead, embody our own beliefs, values, and ideas about things, that’s when we become confident and unstoppable.

2 . Manage boundaries & elevate self-care

In large part I work with women because, as a gender, we’re taught to put ourselves last. To serve and help others first.

The inevitable and unfortunate outcome of this is that we end up getting trampled: by family, friends, boyfriends, spouses, bosses, even our kids!

Now, I understand that men can also struggle with this. If there’s ONE thing that helps my clients radically transform their lives, it’s this: learning to establish and manage boundaries. And this goes hand in hand with also elevating our station on our to-do lists by valuing ourselves enough that time for self-care gets carved out and becomes a non-negotiable even with overstuffed calendars.

One of my clients was suffering from exhaustion, stress and burnout. Recognizing that her energy reserves were already depleted I started by helping her establish boundaries and coached her as she learned to manage them. She came to understand that self-care wasn’t a selfish thing, and more like a matter of self-preservation. A couple weeks went by and she began to show up like a different person! Reducing her stress and restoring her energy taught her that valuing and loving herself was not only beneficial to her, of course, but that others were also reaping the rewards as a result of the dramatic increase in her energy and happiness.

3 . Reclaim self-worth & connection to your unique brilliance

Everyone’s trying to become clones of the people society tells us are the winners, the beautiful, the role models. But guess where the magic is? It’s in our uniqueness! Certainly not in our failed attempts to become carbon copies of other people, which is just impossible.

When we reclaim our self-worth by examining all the challenges we’ve overcome, the hard things we’ve done, the gifts we’re blessed to have been born with, the personality traits that make us interesting…the features and characteristics that make us quintessentially US, that’s when we can tap into greater self-love.

A great exercise I give clients is to go ask 5 people who know you well, and who you trust, for 5 positive words they’d use to describe you. I did this again recently myself as I was trying to revamp website copy. One ex-client wouldn’t stop! She rattled off one positive trait after another until we both broke out in laughter. But I’ll be honest, it made me feel good.

Sometimes it’s hard for us to see ourselves clearly. It can be especially hard to pat ourselves on the back and acknowledge our brilliance. So, this exercise helps us reflect and own our unique brilliance.

4 . Practice self-compassion

Journeyers on a path to personal and spiritual growth can make the experience way more enjoyable, and also build greater resilience by practicing self-compassion.

A baby does not expect to stand for the very first time and immediately walk. Adults, however, do. We tend to hold ourselves to impossible standards and expectations believing we must be experts at everything straight out of the gate. We can revisit our past stumbles, fumbles and bounce-backs and see that stumbling is a necessary part of growing.

Being compassionate with ourselves allows us to become more resilient, adaptable, and creative. It also allows us to enjoy the journey as we grow into new skills, experiences & ways of expressing our genius.

My first speaking engagement could have been a disaster. I had been expecting a room of 50 people and instead was ushered into an auditorium of about 700. I felt the blood drain from my face as my knees threatened to buckle. Staring out at a sea of faces prompted my inner critic to spring into action — sending me into fight or flight mode.

Thankfully, I came prepared for that part. I took a few deep breaths. Reconnected with my purpose in being there. Reminded myself that I knew what I was talking about. Energized my purpose by imagining the audience learning and benefitting from the knowledge I had to share. Then I found a friendly face in the audience, smiled back, placed one elbow on the podium, said to myself, “Be here now,” and launched into 1 hour of sharing.

Although I’d had a bit of a rocky start, I found my flow. And best of all, the audience loved my presentation and gave my talk high ratings.

Giving myself compassion — reminding myself I’d never spoken to an audience that large before; assuring myself that most people feel a sense of nervousness when standing before a sea of faces; cheering myself on throughout the process — turned what could have been a disaster into a massive win I could then build from.

5 . Set & achieve small goals

Sometimes you’re thrown into the fire, as I was with that talk in front of 700 people. I recommend making sure you develop effective tools to help you cope should something like that ever happen.

But generally, I recommend setting and achieving a series of small goals as the ultimate confidence booster.

We do not build confidence by imagining or planning or learning. We build confidence and belief in ourselves by doing and succeeding.

A new runner doesn’t aim for a full marathon right away. She’d be setting herself up for failure. No, she might do a 5K. Then at some point a ½ marathon. Then when she feels she’s trained well enough, perhaps then she’ll take on a full marathon.

As I’ve been developing a speaking platform, I’ve achieved a series of small, doable wins. Podcast guesting provided a perfect start. I prepared key points I intended to get across, regardless of the questions the interviewer chose to ask. I got comfortable thinking on my feet as some hosts veered onto topics we hadn’t yet discussed. I learned to ground my energy and know which personal stories I could integrate so that I’d come across as confident, knowledgeable, and relatable. Having done a series of smaller podcasts, I now feel confident and prepared to aim for the next level: to approach larger podcasts as well as stages with medium-sized audiences.

Set yourself up to win by setting and achieving small goals — this will develop not only your confidence, but belief in yourself — which of course is a wonderful ingredient that moves you closer to self-love.

What are your favorite books, podcasts, or resources for self-psychology, intimacy, or relationships? What do you love about each one and how does it resonate with you?

As a coach who facilitates self-discovery through feminine energy, the books I tend to be most passionate about involve some aspect of spiritual growth.

As for books, The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz is among my top 3. I’m on my third full read through right now, although “read through” doesn’t really capture it. I live the books I read because I’ve learned it’s one thing to read, understand and know something. Quite another to live the wisdom you’ve gained. Putting the four agreements into practice is tough and requires intention, practice, and lots and lots of self-compassion throughout! Based on ancient Toltec wisdom, it presents four agreements that when we make them with ourselves, radically transform and improve our lives. Each one sounds simple conceptually, but when put into practice we realize how challenging they actually are. All because of the way our brains work and how we’ve been conditioned to think.

Regarding podcasts, Diary of A CEO is a current favorite. I especially love when Steven Bartlett interviews neuroscientists who provide scientific explanation for things we might think or wonder whether or not they’re true. I especially loved the episode in which he interviewed Neuroscientist Dr. Tara Swart and she spoke about the science behind intuition — since her research supports and aligns with my work around feminine energy. The more we learn about the fascinating ways in which our body-mind-soul relationship works, the more it’s possible to engage in self-love, because without question, we are all truly magical beings!

Two resources I constantly talk about and share with clients are mindfulness & meditation. Sometimes people think they’re one and the same. And while they can be, mindfulness refers to a broader practice, one that can be integrated into our interactions, improving the relationship we have with ourselves as well as relationships we enjoy with others. Through mindfulness we learn more about how we work — we become better able to discern the voice of the inner critic versus our true inner voice. We learn more about what motivates and inspires us. We more readily identify our emotional triggers. And we better understand the sources of our strengths, talents & abilities.

Meditation is perhaps my most powerful life resource. It enabled me to get through cancer in a state of calm rather than anxiety, stress & worry. Although many people say they can’t meditate, we all can and do meditate naturally — we just don’t recognize that we do because we tend to have a narrow definition of what meditation looks like. I teach all my clients how to meditate, even if only for 10 minutes each day.

You are a person of great influence. If you could inspire a movement that would bring the most amount of good to the most amount of people, what would that be? Maybe we’ll inspire our readers to start it…

Great question! I AM working on inspiring a movement in fact! And that is to become more energetically balanced. Our society is so left-brained — focused on all the DOING. It’s why we’re struggling with our health, stressed out, burned out, anxious, exhausted, and depleted. We’ve placed left-brain “masculine energy” — activities, skills & traits like linear thinking, competing, winning, logical thinking, and doing, doing, doing on a pedestal, believing it’s how we’re supposed to live 24/7. But that’s impossible! And it’s totally not sustainable. This results in two of our greatest challenges to self-love: perfectionism and comparisonitis. Take it from someone who burned out from corporate 9 to 5 life in the early 2000s, balance is essential.

We can achieve greater energy balance by integrating more right-brain “feminine energy” activities, skills & traits such as collaboration, compassion, empathy, intuition, and creative self-expression. I believe feminine energy is the solution to what ails our society. It’s already part of who we are, our modern world has just forgotten.

That said, there are signs of a culture shift. Forbes magazine published an article listing 11 skills leaders need in today’s workplace environment. I was pleased as punch to see 8 of the 11 fell squarely in right-brain feminine energy. This is a win for us all.

Can you please give us your favorite “Life Lesson Quote” that you use to guide yourself by?
Can you share how that was relevant to you in your life and how our readers might learn to live by it in theirs?

I love to say, “Discovery is in the Doing.” It’s so easy to talk ourselves out of trying something different, something new. “It won’t work,” we tell ourselves before we’ve even taken a single step to test it out. But what happens when we discover we’re capable of so much more than we initially thought? Ah, we build self-confidence, self-esteem and self-love!

I once thought I could never be a published author. I talked endlessly about wanting to be one without ever writing a single word on paper. When I came across a quote that read “You are what you spend your time doing,” it hit me hard. I’d been doing a lot of talking about becoming an author but none of the writing. So I was not an author because I wasn’t writing! The minute I decided I’d give it my best try, I started writing a proposal, doing the research, figuring out which publishers would be right for my book idea. And voila! I became a published author.

How can you ever discover what you’re really capable of, if you won’t allow yourself the doing?

Let’s insert self-love…what might you discover about yourself, your potential for love, happiness, and success, if you just did it?

Commit to self-love and see what happens.

Discovery is in the doing.

Thank you so much for your time and for your inspiring insights!

Thank you so much for these incredibly thoughtful questions and discussion!

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