The Future of NFTs, Gaming, Metaverse and more, Featuring Ethan Earthling of Mars4
The Bit Podcast — Episode 34
This week on The Bit, we’re joined by Ethan Earthling, the CRO of Mars4, to discuss new developments and innovations within the metaverse space and how Mars4 is taking a unique approach to competing with top players like tech giant parent company, Meta. Mars4 is partnered with Bittrex Global.
Here are the show notes:
[02:46] Down the Rabbit Hole
[09:56] Metaverse on Mars
[17:18] Rising Demand of VR Talent
[26:20] 888 Martians
Chris Sinkey: Hi, welcome to The Bit, the Bittrex Global podcast, where we give you the inside scoop on all things crypto. I’m Chris Sinkey, the Chief Business Officer here at Bittrex Global. Blockchain and DeFi have revolutionized various sectors across the globe but have had an inarguable exponential impact within the finance industry. Every day, it seems as though there’s a new project to explore, with blockchain and DeFi gaining incredible momentum.
Keeping up to date with all the latest trends and applications can be challenging. Every day, it seems as though there’s a new project or new team that offers something unique to explore, and if you’re not actively getting involved, it’s easy to get overwhelmed and trampled by the tremendous amount of activity going on.
One space that perfectly describes this are non-fungible tokens, better known as NFT’s. NFT’s are essentially unique items. They are similar to pieces of artwork, expensive vintage cars, or in-game items and can be bought or sold on NFT marketplaces. NFT’s provide unique ownership to people’s digital assets and offer unique ways to offer recognition and financial gain.
As fascinating as this sounds, we are far from seeing its true potential. Behind the spectacular growth of the NFT’s leaves a peculiar feeling that we’re still scratching the surface. While everyone from gamers, artists and even farmers can take advantage of NFT’s and the technology behind them, the question still remains: What’s next. And that’s where Mars4 comes in. Mars4 takes an innovative approach and allows you to explore a world outside of our own — Mars.
With this platform, you can delve into your own virtual Mars metaverse, own and customize your land property with Mars4 dollars, and even reap the rewards of the universe’s first revenue-generating NFT. So to join us for a stimulating discussion on how Mars4 is innovating the metaverse, I’m joined today by the Chief Revenue Officer of Mars4, Ethan Earthling. Ethan, welcome to The Bit; I’m excited to be chatting with you today.
Ethan Earthling: Hi, Chris. It’s great to be here, and it’s great to talk to you once again.
Chris Sinkey: Absolutely. For those of you who did not see the live video AMA, I think this will be a fantastic discussion with a lot of new information. For those that saw the live video AMA, hopefully, we’ll be able to dive into a couple of more topics.
I’m really looking forward to discussing how Mars4 is growing the metaverse, but before we dig into that, we always asked guests this question, which is basically your origin story for crypto. So I wanted to ask you, Ethan, who or what got you into crypto in the first place? How did you hear about it? When did you buy your first Bitcoin? And I’ll let you take it from there.
[02:46] Down the Rabbit Hole
Ethan Earthling: So I would say I probably went down the rabbit hole in 2016 or 2017. I’m just thinking, though, if we talk about when I bought my first crypto, yes, it was Bitcoin, and yes, it was on the Coinbase app. I think it may have been 2014 or 2015 when I dabbled a bit, but I got scared when the Mt. Gox hack happened and sold everything and then didn’t think about it again until about 2016.
So I dabbled, and unfortunately, I didn’t hold the Bitcoins that I had back then, or you know, my financial situation might be slightly different. So my origin story: I was working in traditional tech or web 2.0, as it’s called since we’re all working web 3.0. I was working for a company called LinkedIn — I was based out in Dubai and just started investing privately in Bitcoin, then in Ethereum when that came out.
But then, when the last cycle of startups happened, the ICO frenzy of 2017, that’s when things got interesting. I started going down the rabbit hole, then started looking at all these things built on top of Ethereum and got very excited about it. I started investing and advising a few projects, and In May 2017, I actually quit my job, met some partners, and we started really going after this as professionals. With investing and advising, we had some very good outcomes, and things were going very well.
When the bear market hit, a lot of our investments went down by 90%, so we said, “Okay, this bear market is going to take some time to resolve itself.” We went our separate ways — some of the guys went back to their traditional businesses, I went back from LinkedIn into Salesforce, then we were kind of back in the normal, civilized world. Then in DeFi summer, the summer of 2020, we started seeing some really good real-world use cases around decentralized finance, NFT’s play-to-earn gaming and metaverse. So that made us think that the use cases that were absent and 2016 to 2018 are now present.
So that was the time we decided to get the band back together to build something really huge that would straddle the three areas that we saw as being the really defining use cases: DeFi, NFTs and gaming. And that’s what brought us to develop Mars4.
Chris Sinkey: Great, I love a good origin story. Most of the people I know have got something along the lines of, like, “I got into it a while back, and then I sold, and I don’t know why I did that. That was a bad idea. Had I not done that, I would have been in a much better position.” I certainly did the exact same thing. I rarely use Twitter, but I started picking that back up over the last few weeks as I’ve just been focused on building businesses.
One of the tweets I have from 2014 is I just sold my Bitcoin. I don’t know why I even tweeted that, but I decided to, and that was back in 2014 and oh, how I wish I had not done that. So yeah, anyway, Let’s get back to Mars4. Can you give us some background on the team and talk a little bit about when the project started, where the team is based, and what kind of growth you’ve seen since the early days of foundation?
Ethan Earthling: So it’s a globally distributed team. We have team members based in Lithuania, myself based between Ireland and Dubai. So I’ve given my background coming from a tech background and then moving into web 3.0, primarily from tech sales and sales management. So from my side, I’m really focusing on the sales and distribution strategy for the NFT’s. We’ve got some interesting things happening there. Our CEO, Richard, comes from a serial entrepreneurial background — I don’t think he’s ever had a real job in his life. He’s got businesses across the Internet of Things, medical devices, kid’s watches, tracking devices, all the way through to software-as-a-service.
Our co-founder, Thomas, he’s coming from traditional venture capital. He’s a founding partner of iron wolf capital, which was one of the largest venture capital funds, well still is one of the largest venture capital funds in the Baltics and Northern Europe. So he brought a wealth of experience for us in terms of how to fundraise from the beginning, those relationships with funds and everything to get us the seed capital. And now he’s really helping us as we scale it because he’s scaled so many businesses before.
Our Chief Marketing Officer Paul is an interesting character. He was involved in building, you could say, the first mainstream metaverse from web 2.0, which was Second Life. So he and his team actually built the first marketplace within this environment. They’ve still got a company they founded ten years ago called Meta Group, so I think they were the original Meta before Facebook renamed Meta.
For those guys, they were building on Second Life, which is like a pre- crypto metaverse, a virtual world, it had its own economy and people were buying and selling and trading real estate in there and so on. But it probably lacked a utility token — I think they were just a little too early back then.
So yeah, that’s our team, coming from tech, entrepreneurship, venture capital, and the web 2.0 world. It gives us a nice balance and a nice framework, especially all having been through the previous market cycle, and that’s the core team. Of course, we have an extensive team of software developers who’ve done amazing things like building this virtual 3D model of Mars divided into just under 100,000 hexagons. These are the NFT’s, so we’ve got strong developers on traditional software development and blockchain.
Since we last spoke, we’ve really strengthened our team on the gaming side as well. Then aside from the tech team, we’ve got a strong marketing and business development team that we’ve had to grow as we roll out this project. Our community has grown exponentially. So we’ve got a huge team of community managers.
So yeah, it’s gone from four guys with a crazy dream to, I think, around 20 people full-time now, and we’re growing, we’re hiring. So anybody in your audience who wants to move from web 2.0 into web 3.0, or anyone starting in their career for the first time, please go to Mars4.me and look at our careers page. We’re in that hyper-growth phase, which is very exciting.
Chris Sinkey: That is exciting, and an exciting piece about what you’re doing is the revenue-generating NFTs. Can you talk a little bit about the Mars land NFTs and the upcoming metaverse on Mars?
[09:56] Metaverse on Mars
Ethan Earthling: Definitely. So basically, we look at our metaverse in several different layers. So layer-1 is what we’ve built, an exact 3D replica of the red planet based on data from NASA and other artists, other space agencies and data sources. Then our team took that model, made it 3D and interactive, and divided it into just under 100,000 land plots. Then, we minted each of those land plots as a unique NFT so the people who purchased those NFT’s own that piece of real estate on Mars, then as we build the layer-2, which will be more like Decentraland or a 3D interactive world.
Then as we move on to layer-3, which will be a more virtual reality with the headset, and everything, the people who own that underlying land, will own that all the way through the evolution of this world.
In terms of the revenue-generating side of it, as I mentioned, we saw DeFi, NFTs and play-to-earn gaming as the three main drivers of this new market cycle. So the revenue-generating side that we wanted to build into this is that, for all of the transactions that will happen in the Mars world, with the Mars dollar, a yield is going to be paid out and divided between all of these land owners. So we have the Mars land, which is the underlying property, it’s a non-fungible token, and then we have the Mars dollar, an ERC-20 token — just a standard utility token.
So all of the economic activity, all of the transactions will happen with the Mars dollar — we will only use the Mars dollar, basically, in our economy. Then, there is a small transaction fee taken from that, and that is divided between the land owners, so what that means is basically the people own that land, they will get a share of all of the economic activity proportional to the number of land plots that they own. And as more commerce on activity happens in that world, that shares should only grow. So these people who purchase this land early should do very well. If this trend towards metaverse persists, and if we see more and more people spending more time in virtual worlds like bars.
Chris Sinkey: Commerce brings to mind Sushi Swap or swapping in general. I know that you’ve got Sushi Swaps onsen coming open for Mars4 token holders. Our audience would love to know about how to get rewards in the form of Mars4 and Sushi tokens if you can explain that.
Ethan Earthling: Definitely. So we’ve got a great partnership with Sushi Swap. First of all, we did our token sale on their MISO launchpad; then, we traded on their DEX so you can buy and sell your Mars tokens there.
Yes, we’ve got the onsen, so we’re in the Sushi Swap 2x rewards forum. So people can stake their Mars tokens, and then they will earn Sushi tokens and Mars4 tokens in reward. So it’s good for the token holder because they can earn a yield just by sitting on their tokens. It’s very good for the token price in the economy because it puts a sinkhole for the tokens. It locks up some of that liquidity, increasing the circulating supply’s scarcity.
So this is a great way for people to earn yield on their Mars tokens until the game economy is open — then they can use them to buy and sell goods and services within the world. So it’s quite cool. Currently, people can earn a yield on their land and then earn a yield on those Mars tokens on the Onsen Launchpad. And actually, it can be quite daunting for people who are new to DeFi on how to do this and how to stake it — it’s a bit more tricky than a really user-friendly consumer exchange or, or centralized exchange like Bittrex, which they may be familiar with.
So there’s a YouTube video on the Mars4 YouTube channel, where they can see a guide on how to step-by-step how to go through and stake their Mars4 tokens. So hopefully, we will make it easier for, let’s say, newcomers to DeFi,
Chris Sinkey: Improving the user experience and making things easier is what 2022 will have to be all about to drive adoption. So that’s, that’s great to hear. Is there anything specific you would like to share in regards to the Martians888 collection or any other upcoming giveaways?
Ethan Earthling: I would, yes. Absolutely. So this was my brainchild. This was something that was coming from our early investors and community. We’ve got the land, token, and the economy, but people really want to personalize that with their avatars — with their Martians. What we’ve done is we’ve created a limited drop of 888 Martians, so no more of these avatars will be created. So it’s like a very smaller scale, even more, scarce than CryptoPunks and the way we created that is we didn’t want to make it completely algorithmically generated.
So, for example, CryptoPunks, or some of these other drops, have a certain number of components or features like it might be smoking a cigarette, or an earring or a hat or a mohawk, and then they were randomly generated. So we wanted to go a different route and allow a bit more creativity, so we partnered with a company called SketchAR. It’s actually a portfolio company — it’s been invested in by Snapchat, and what it is, it’s like an online application to guide artists through the drawing and creative process. So it’s actually a really cool app on its own.
So we partnered with them, we created a limited number of constraints; I think it’s 48 by 48 pixels — so double the resolution of CryptoPunks. As you would expect, there’s a silhouette of the traditional gray Martian alien head, and that’s it, but then people are open to using their imagination of how they create that. So we’ve opened up computation that’s ongoing, and I think we’ve almost 1000 submissions right now. When that closes, we’re going to select the top 888 submissions there, and then they’re going to be released as an NFT drop.
So we haven’t decided exactly how that’s going to be done. Will it be just open for direct purchase? Will they be auctioned? We may package them with some of our super rare Mars land. But in any case, these 888 Martians will be people’s avatars for the entire life of the Mars4 metaverse.
So they’ll be integrated into the dashboard. We haven’t decided yet how far they will go into the game. We don’t know yet if it is possible to walk around with a 3D representation. But for Layer-1, it’s more like a profile image just so people would use their CryptoPunk or their Bored Ape as their Twitter profile; people can use this Martian avatar wherever they go outside the world, within the world, within the dashboard and when they’re communicating with other people. So yeah, we’re quite excited about this and we do have other NFT drops that are going to be in the pipeline around in-game assets and so on.
Chris Sinkey: Are there any other key partnerships that you’d want to mention here that you think are essential to the growth of Mars4, or any other partnerships you think you’re looking forward to establishing in the near future that you could reveal now?
[17:18] Rising Demand of VR Talent
Ethan Earthling: So we’ve got a few in the works, and some of them I can’t reveal, but I can drop hints on. In terms of operational partnerships, we’ve just signed with a very cool virtual reality firm that will create some VR experiences attached to the super rare Mars lawn plots. So, for example, we’re working on one right now with a partner where we’re going to have a virtual experience in a super rare crater, and we’re working with them to create a virtual experience of a futuristic replica of Dubai on Mars within their crater.
So, for example, somebody settled on Mars and wanted to replicate downtown Dubai with the skyline and so on. We’re doing that as a standalone 3D experience. We’ve also signed up with partners who will be working with us to build the overall 3D experience of the game. We’ve got a really good development team there. So we’re using the funds to partner with people who will strengthen us in the VR side of things and in the actual game world side of things. We’re even looking at acquiring studios as well. What we see is that the competition for VR talent is going to get so much more intense now, with Facebook and many others moving into the metaverse.
So definitely a lot of interesting partnerships that may turn into deeper partnerships with the Mars4 organization. You and I talked, and some of my team members have just returned from Solana Breakpoinf in Lisbon. So for us, Solana is a really hot protocol right now, and for us, NFTs and Solana could solve a lot of issues.
We’ve been through very expensive processes of minting NFTs using Ethereum. Then using some Layer-2 solutions and so on, I would like to calculate the amount of Ethereum that we’ve spent on gas fees minting NFT’s. So for us, Solana could be a good Layer-1 to do some of our other future NFT drops, we haven’t decided about 888 Martians, but we are looking at some other campaigns potentially around in-game assets or potentially making land on some of the moons around Mars as well.
Basing that in Solana and then partnering with some Solana launchpads and other people building metaverses in the Solana space. I can’t name names now until those partnerships are inked, but that’s definitely a direction that we’re moving in.
In terms of partnerships, we’re looking at some partners who are building metaverses in both the Ethereum space and the Solana space that would have really good adjacencies to us, and I think the last time we spoke, we spoke about Ready Player One about this concept of the Oasis of people being able to jump through into different games, different worlds. One project wants to establish their colony on Mars, have some flags and have their own controlled world in there. So internal partnerships on the development side for the game and the VR are exciting. Then the external partnerships with other metaverse founders — specifically looking into doing some experiments on Solana.
Chris Sinkey: That was definitely eye-opening in a lot of ways, and it sounds like both of us might have come back from that with a little bit of a common cold as well. So one of the first conferences we’ve been to post-pandemic, but that’s really good to hear. Your comments around hiring are a great segue into my next question, which is, what does Mars4’s roadmap look like for the next year as sort of short-term into 2022? And then what’s the longer-term vision?
Ethan Earthling: That’s a great question. One of the main things we’re doing now is hiring. And I think everyone we talked to in this market, you know, capitalist cheap — it’s so easy to raise funds. The real value now is that people are good people from all disciplines. Of course, traditional developers, blockchain developers, game developers, VR developers — those people are like gold from the tech side. Also, business developers, people who can manage the community, there’s competition at every level for all kinds of people.
So yeah, it really reminds me of web 2.0 like ten years ago when Facebook and Apple will be competing with referral bonuses to hire engineers. I think we’re moving into a similar phase here, where there’s going to be such a war for talent. Luckily, as I mentioned, a lot of our team is based in Lithuania, so they have access to regions of really high quality, technical talent around the likes of Ukraine, Belarus, and Poland. So there’s this circle of excellence around Lithuania where we can find people with expertise in those specific functions, and it’s much less competitive than it would be for similar people, let’s say in Western Europe, or the US and in the Bay Area.
So we’re quite fortunate in our geographic location for being able to attract those kinds of people. So one part is hiring, and we’re hiring is because now we’re in the acceleration phase of building out the game. We’ve got the Layer-1, we’ve got the NFTs and more than half of them have been sold. The revenue generation characteristics will be kicking in soon, but for people to basically start walking around to Mars, exploring their land, start terraforming, start mining, we need the people who are building that, so that’s really our focus for the rest of Q4.
For Q1, it’s building and delivering the metaverse world, the game world in stages of increasing complexity. That’s kind of what we’re doing with the talent that we’re acquiring — immediately putting them to work and to get that game building. That’s another interesting point because one of the key roles we’re looking to fill is project managers who can manage games. So we’re actually looking at people from the traditional world of games, like, you know, EA, Ubisoft, and these kinds of places, who know how to project manage and deliver it.
So a lot of work of it’s very exciting there, and then the other part is that we want to make everything in this game world an NFT. So every item that people interact with is going to be an NFT. If it’s an NFT, that means it’s 100% owned by the user. So in web 2.0, or the traditional world of online gaming, World of Warcraft or whatever, even though the player might have spent hours playing the game and earning a special powerful sword, or staff or cloak, the developers of the game, could nerf that at any time and reduced the capabilities of that. Also, a player might have spent all the time earning that weapon in World of Warcraft, but they couldn’t take it to another game. So why do we want everything in our game to be an NFT? Number one, it means once it’s an NFT, it can’t be changed — the user owns and number two, it means as we move to this cross metaverse world that they could take their laser gun, spacesuit from Mars and they can bring that with them to any other world.
So I think giving full ownership to the players is one of the huge things of web 3.0. To do that, the other things we’re looking at are scaling solutions: How can we make basically Ethereum sustainable and then the other part is looking at other Layer-1’s like Solana to make that actually more acceptable and usable. Then the other part is partnerships. So to strengthen our team, building out the Mars world and the Mars game, moving closer to true virtual reality, collaborations with other people, and other metaverses within that game world. Then it’s about seeing what creative solutions we come up with when we all put our heads together and the creative solutions that our community brings to us.
I think the third thing would be 2022 is looking to transition to a DAO to a decentralized autonomous organization, where those Mars land owners are able to use their governance token rights of their NFT’s to vote in the direction of the game and so on.
Chris Sinkey: Is there anything else about Mars4 that you wanted to mention for our audience before I move into a couple more broader questions about the crypto space?
I think we’ve covered the highlights, but I just wanted to make sure that we’re not missing anything key.
[26:20] 888 Martians
Ethan Earthling: So two things to call out is that the 888 Martians collection is still ongoing. So if people, even if they’re not an artist, want to try their hand at the assisted creation through the sketchAR platform, they can. There are also cash prizes, revenue share and so on for creating those NFT’s.
The other part is that we’ve got a competition. So we’re giving away 20 Mars land NFT’s for 20 lucky contestants. So each of these Mars land NFT’s is currently worth around $578. So it’s a great time to participate in the call and in the competition. They’ll find the instructions in our Telegram, Discord, and all our social channels. Still, I definitely recommend they check out our Telegram and our Medium to find out more about the giveaway on how to participate.
Chris Sinkey: Oh, great. Thanks for that, I am very curious, and I’m sure our audience is as well, given your perspective on this industry, your background and where you see the space going. I’d love to hear your just general thoughts. I want to hear about anything from the price of Bitcoin to where the metaverse goes in relation to big corporations like Facebook rebranding to Meta and decentral protocols and the direction you’re going. What do you think plays out over the next few years in crypto?
Ethan Earthling: Definitely. So I suppose one of the things that’s kind of dawning on me is that DeFi probably was the first real-world use case for crypto. It is a real use case, but DeFi is not what’s going to make crypto and web 3.0 mainstream. Let’s face it; finance is boring. Most people find traditional finance boring, so even though it is very useful and a powerful trend, it’s complicated and has barriers to entry.
We talked about the lack of a user-friendly interface even for more matured DeFi platforms like Sushi Swap. There’s still quite a step there before we get the average guy or girl comfortable with using that.
I really think that play-to-earn gaming and NFT’s will be the things that get mass adoption for this new decentralized future. So it’s almost like an on-ramp to get people into the space, aware of the space, and then they might progress to using things like DeFi and so on. I think there are a couple of trends in which one is that NFT’s are culture.
So people, you know, don’t generally like complicated things. People generally don’t like things that are very financially complicated. Still, people get passionate about art, culture, and collecting, which is why those NBA top shots and things like that did well. So there’s, there’s a very human element NFTs, which I think is one on-ramp.
The other on-ramp is gaming, so a lot of the play-to-earn games are low quality, but soon, we’re going to have play-to-earn games that have the same look and feel as AAA titles traditional centralized and old fashioned business model games. So I think there will be a massive disruption there because if people are going to invest hours of their time in a game, why not do that when they can earn as opposed to earn nothing?
I think that play-to-earn gaming will become the default model for all the gaming, and then people won’t even know it’s crypto — they won’t even know it’s web 3.0, it’ll just be gaming, and that’s just how it is. As the hardware and software get better, and as people get more comfortable spending their time in these persistent online 3D worlds, I think all gaming will transition more into a metaverse style.
That’s another great onramp as well, and I think we’re seeing the writing on the wall that this time it’s different. Facebook rebranding as Meta is obviously huge, and if we talk about market cycles as well, I know I’m going all over the place here. Still, I do see that play-to-earn gaming and the metaverse that’s going to be what’s going to keep crypto going through these cycles.
So I believe we may reach a supercycle this time; we may not. I think we’re still going to have these bull and bear cycles in the market — that’s just human nature. But what’s going to sustain us through the bear market this time is if people are starting to earn during playing games, that’s not going away — they’re not going to stop. So we’re going to have these continued use cases, and I think that yield farming through DeFi and people earning through play-to-earn gaming will get us through the bear market, so the bear market should be much less severe.
So yeah, that would be my view on web 3.0 on crypto. I won’t go into my views on Bitcoin, but in my mind, you’ve got two aspects: One, you’ve got Bitcoin, which is something very different from the rest. I think Bitcoin is going to do very well. I’m not going to get into all the macro-economic indicators here, but that’s my thought process of where we are right now and what 2022 will look like. After that, it’s really hard to predict, but things seem to be accelerating faster than many people imagined.
Chris Sinkey: Are there any other projects or blockchains besides Mars4 that you’re really excited about or watching?
Ethan Earthling: So we’re looking at some really interesting games. Spellfire is a card trading game like a card trading game like Magic the Gathering. That’s doing really well, and they’re going through their fundraising. There are just so many.
Even when I was at the Solana conference in Lisbon, we came across some really cool games like SolChicks; I think they’re going to do super well. It’s a bit like a cross between Pokemon and League of Legends, purely based on Solana. I think they’re going to do really well.
Most of the really exciting things are happening now on the gaming side. Also, at the end of the day, I’m a consumer as well; I just naturally get more excited about games because you can interact more with them and so on, and I guess our generation we’re all gamers at some stage, rather than DeFi, which it may be useful, and maybe really cool. Still, it’s a little bit more cold.
So I think this is play-to-earn gaming season and metaverse season. Honestly, there are too many cool projects to name that I’m looking at and some I’m investing in personally, but it’s exciting times.
Chris Sinkey: Well, I was just furiously taking notes. If anybody else listening is like me, they probably were as well.
I want to thank you for coming on the podcast today and talking about a project that is still firmly on my radar, and I think our audience’s radar as well, and one that Bittrex Global has listed. So we’re definitely looking forward to hearing more exciting news from the Mars4 team in the future.
Thank you for listing Mars4 on Bittrex Global and enabling us to open up that market for our customers.
Ethan Earthling: The pleasure is ours. We’re honoured to have you guys as our first centralized exchange. It’s always a pleasure catching up with you, Chris, and I’m sure we’ll be catching up every couple of months, every quarter or so to share the updates and to brainstorm on what’s going on in this absolutely crazy world.
Chris Sinkey: Yeah. Thanks, Ethan.
Ethan Earthling: Thank you very much, Chris.
Chris Sinkey: Thanks for listening to The Bit. The Bittrex Global podcast. Our guest today was Ethan Earthling, the Chief Revenue Officer at Mars4. To learn more about Mars4, visit Mars4.me. To learn more about Bittrex Global, visit global.bittrex.com and please make sure to subscribe to our podcast — you can find us wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for listening and making The Bit one of the fastest-growing podcasts in the world of crypto. Once again. I’m Chris Sinkey. The Chief Business Officer at Bittrex Global.