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Need to Know with Coulthart and Zabel

How an Australian reporter and an American producer became friends without ever actually meeting in person. And how they decided that a world that doesn’t need another UFO podcast might just need another UFO podcast anyway.

Bryce Zabel
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7 min readDec 15, 2021

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NOTE: Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel are the hosts of the new podcast, Need to Know with Coulthart & Zabel, debuting this week on what is the fourth anniversary of the 2017 New York Times front page article about government UAP investigations. For details, check out the website here.

SOMETIME IN THE LAST YEAR, ROSS COULTHART and I became friends. It started after I read his terrific 2021 book, In Plain Sight, and talked about it here on Trail of the Saucers. After I did that, a memory came back to me that Ross and I were supposed to have already met, before he published that book, but it didn’t quite happen.

In December of 2019, just months before the world entered that long tunnel of lockdown, my family planned a nearly month long Christmas trip to Australia. We were fleeing brush fires in California and wanted a complete change of scenery. In the run-up to leaving, the news from Australia was that that entire…

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Bryce Zabel
Point of Contact

Writer/producer in features & TV. Creator, five primetime series. Ex: TV Academy CEO; CNN reporter; USC professor. Author of books about the Beatles, JFK, UFOs.