Recap of PromoTeam AMA session with Founder and CEO of KILT Protocol — Ingo Rube
Vlady Limes: Hello everyone, this is traditionally our evening event with an outstanding guest. Thank you so much for coming. In our PromoTeam community, we are working on promoting Polkadot and Kusama ecosystems. Let’s introduce our guest, today we are having Ingo Rube CEO of KILT Protocol, I’m sure we are going to have a very interesting interview today. Ingo, are you ready?
Ingo Rube: Hello everyone! Yes, I am ready!
Vlady Limes: Okay, I would like to admit that you had a very interesting conversation on Polkadot decoded. How did you prepare for this?
Ingo Rube: Yeah, basically Polkadot decoded works like you can send in different talks that you want to speak about it. I think we sent in two or three different topics some more technological some more of general interest and it’s no wonder that general interest won and we just made a presentation there.
Vlady Limes: By the way, today it was announced that the next batch of Kusama crowdloans has started. Was it unexpected for you?
Ingo Rube: No, we didn’t know any fixed date but we were somehow expecting it to be in September which is perfect. We didn’t know exactly but were expecting something in the near future and now it happened today.
Vlady Limes: I think for many people it was unexpected. At least for me, I was so excited and quickly made announcements of crowdloans in our Telegram and Twitter, so people will be aware of the next batch of crowdloans. So, let’s go to the questions from the community. Could you please tell us will be there any NFTs from your project? If yes, how is it possible to obtain it?
Ingo Rube: Actually, KILT protocol makes decentralised identifiers the IDs and verify the credentials. So in a way, this is very close to NFTs because NFTs is actually is transferable credentials you can think of credentials like your driver license which is not transferable because it has your name on it, but if you would build transferable credentials on top of KILT than you can build NFTs for that but this is an addition to KILT and we already talk to NFTs companies who will hopefully be building NFTs on the infrastructure of KILT in the future.
Vlady Limes: Thanks, another question from the community. What’s the attester’s role? Is it some kind of oracle? Does it have any vulnerability and is it secured for a user?
Ingo Rube: Yes, of course very good question by the way. So, the attesters don’t play any role in the security of the system. The attesters just roll on the top of the blockchain. Basically, anyone can become an attester. For example, sticking with the driver’s license, I could be an attester who issues driver’s licenses. Would that rug? Probably not, no one would like my driver’s licenses because no one will trust me. So, the driver’s license department will probably be the attester for the driver’s licenses. That means that being an attester is actually something that needs a lot of work in building trust and it also needs a lot of work in maintaining trust and it needs a lot of work in checking if credentials could actually be issued to the individual claimer and this is more often economic model which is built on top of KILT. It has nothing to do with the blockchain itself the blockchain itself is run by the collators.
Vlady Limes: Thank you so much, we are going on. How many projects in Kusama and Polkadot are interested in KILT? How your project is relevant to these ecosystems?
Ingo Rube: We believe that it is pretty relevant because our goal is to be a go-to place for digital identities at least in the first step in the Polkadot ecosystem and also outside of the Polkadot ecosystem. Actually, we are speaking with a lot of projects currently about how they can utilize the infrastructure that KILT protocol is delivering to them. I’m not always sure if we press released out or not so I can’t say any or maybe I can say Moonbeam, right? We are talking with a lot of projects but it doesn’t really make sense to say “Hey, we are collaborating” it is much better first to flash out real use-cases and business cases for that and show how the collaboration of different projects inside of the Polkadot ecosystem creates an additional value. So, we are going this way and we are speaking with several projects, we are building use-cases and when they will be ready and we have the chance to implement them because all the technology has to work for that, all the projects have to be ready for that and then we announce.
Vlady Limes: I really like this approach because we discussed early with other representatives of different projects and they explained that partnership is not a similar way of thinking on some points but these are direct actions and solutions. Alright, moving on. Decentralization has a crucial role in the concept of your blockchain, so how do you work to achieve this and how many validators are in your network?
Ingo Rube: Yeah. First of all, we are going to be the parachain on Kusama which means that the security of the network is provided by Kusama network and this is already decentralized network. We won’t have any validators in our network as a parachain you only have so-called collators. Collators are collecting the blocks and they are sending them to the relay-chain which is Kusama and then they are validated and audited and send back where they are attached to our chain by the collators again, so this is the way how the parachain works. The question is, how many are them? There will be 16 collators in the beginning when the system is not fully decentralized. For full decentralization we will have up to 75 collators in the network which send the blocks to the validators on the Kusama network and I think there are around of thousand of them.
Vlady Limes: Thank you, this is a very frequent question. Is there any idea behind the project’s name? Or maybe additional meaning?
Ingo Rube: There is no additional meaning behind that. The idea was we were thinking about identity and we were thinking about disclosure of parts of the identity and it what came to mind this piece of men’s wear from Scotland called a KILT. It reveals part of your identity you are probably Scottish if you wear a KILT and if I know a lot about clans I can read from the pattern which clan you belong to but still it hides information or things that you don’t want to disclose to everyone. Basically, that is exactly what KILT protocol does and this is what the name came from.
Vlady Limes: That’s really interesting. We had a lot of questions from one person, let me choose one of them. Is there any explanation why you decided not to create the sister’s network on Kusama but to migrate directly from Kusama to Polkadot?
Ingo Rube: We are building our network on Kusama because we have the feeling that Kusama is currently the right place. We are growing and we are maturing and we have maturity enough then it would be a nice idea to just migrate over and not to run two parallel networks. That was an easy decision and I think it is also a good idea to have only one coin for both networks because that generates more stability in my opinion and stability is exactly what you need to have when you built infrastructure and we are building infrastructure.
Vlady Limes: Thanks, let me ask you one more question. How would be realised interactions with other parachains? And when do you plan to integrate Zero-knowledge solutions in KILT?
Ingo Rube: Integration on Polkadot should happen on XCMP this is the messaging protocol which is built on top of Polkadot because it wasn’t ready in winter and we also tried other communications methods for example together with guys from Acala which also work, but we really would prefer to work with XCMP that would be the preferred method of communication. And for the Zero-Knowledge, what do we do here? We partnered with people especially with the company from China, it is called zCloak which I would like to recommend to look at they are building really, really nice solutions and they are building what they do on top of KILT. They eventually will be a parachain or they will just use our parachain and communication of parachain in a way to launch the systems and they are going to provide Zero-Knowledge solutions on top of KILT.
Vlady Limes: Thank you so much! There is one more question and it is about collators. What are the main criteria to become a collator? Could you share all the necessary information in terms of this subject?
Ingo Rube: Yes, of course. The initial collator set was picked by us. There was a possibility to engage to and then we had to pick some of them and it was a complicated process. So this is the initial set when the network will be decentralized it will be around two months after the network goes live then this number is going to be increased may be in steps about to 75 collators. And then basically everyone can become a collator the process is like that you use an extrinsic to register yourself as a collator candidate and you what you need to do is to find many delegators behind you who actually put KILT coins on your behalf and then 75 collators which have the most backing will be selected in active collators set. That is how it works. It is very similar to what you have in Polkadot with validators and nominators in our case it is called collators and delegators but it roughly works in the same fashion.
Vlady Limes: Thanks a lot. One of the most important aspects of the project’s success is community support. The vast majority of large projects have community development and interaction programs. Is there any plan to involve more people and expand your community and improving user’s experience?
Ingo Rube: So, we do have community lead. This community lead is going to build an ambassador program so to find more developers who work on KILT. We are building some community around the protocol itself. I think it is also necessary to build a business around that and this is what we do with the different programs. We call that the KILT integrators program here we engage or we hope that companies will engage more companies, big companies, or small companies to build more solutions for their customers, maybe even existing customers on top of KILT and bringing the network out in the world. I think this is necessary especially if you look outside of the blockchain world. We have seen successful cases in the open-source ecosystems out there. I think this is one thing that is lacking in the blockchain ecosystem right now. So we are trying to build both so inside of the blockchain ecosystem we build more like an ambassador program and try to find more brainpower in the development department and outside that we try to establish possibilities for others to run companies with software that is provided by KILT so that they can expand there and become wealthy with that that it’s very important for us.
Vlady Limes: Great! I guess the next question should be asked in the beginning, but we are going through the list and we can’t skip it. So, can we explain to people who don’t understand anything in programming what is KILT and what it does?
Ingo Rube: Oh yes, I can do that. I do that pretty often. Just think of the process that you have with credentials and identity right now in the physical world. So, in the physical world, you have one unique identifier or more which can be for example your face. It is totally decentralized because this is a face that was not given to your by the government or by the company and then you add to this identifier some credentials like it is your library card or passport but maybe also the card which brings you into the office in the morning, of course, bus card and all that stuff. Those credentials are linked to your identifier because they have a picture of your face, your name or fingerprint and somehow connected to you. This is totally different in the digital world right now. In the digital world, there are some big companies who control your identifiers and who control your credentials and they don’t even share with you. KILT is changing that by bringing the process which is already very successful for 1 thousand years in the physical world and bringing this process to the digital world. This is exactly what we do.
Vlady Limes: Excellent! There is one more question from the audience. Is it possible to use KILT protocol privately or in some hidden way? Something like a private network.
Ingo Rube: Of course, it’s possible it’s open source. You can just run your own nodes and then you will have a private network. That will work but we wouldn’t really recommend that because we made it quite secure and we are not storing any personal information so because we are storing only hashes of credentials on the blockchain. It will be easier in the long run to use the public blockchain actually because you benefit from all updates and everything and that is really hard to maintain if you want to do it on your own by copying the code but of course that is possible. And then for businesses, we actually thought a lot of business use-cases this is why we implemented a software development kit on top of KILT which is java script. So if you are in your own company or some bigger company maybe you only have only java script developers and not so much knowledge of blockchain then you can just use the KILT SDK which is java script and without any blockchain knowledge and you can start building applications on KILT and then you would normally run on the public network.
Vlady Limes: Thank you! One more question. It’s more about your hobbies and your team. What unusual hobbies do you or your colleagues and team have in KILT?
Ingo Rube: Unusual hobbies? Actually, I probably don’t have any hobbies because I think that if you bring good it consumes so much time that you can’t have a hobby. So, the other thing is that we are building the KILT protocol and this is actually pretty fascinating with everything that happens around the crypto space because I believe it can be a game-changer in so many, many industries. And coming from industries and having lots of connections in industry I think maybe and one of the better advocates is actually to bring the technology into the outside world. Yeah, being a computer scientist it would be a correct decision for me not to just sit around and promote it but to build something and to build something that is needed out there in the industry not only inside the blockchain industry but also outside of the blockchain industry and this is why we started to build KILT protocol.
Vlady Limes: Alright, and the last question is traditionally from me. Let’s try to fantasize a little bit. KILT protocol in 2025, what can you say about it? How do you imagine KILT protocol at this time?
Ingo Rube: Well, that is in four years if I count correctly. So, I would imagine that KILT protocol is an important underlying part of the Polkadot ecosystem. I would imagine that Polkadot and Kusama ecosystems to have grown into industry and also outside of the crypto world. It would be great if we were some kind of go-to place or standard for building digital identities. And that’s basically what we want to reach. Four years is a good period.
Vlady Limes: Well, that’s it for today. I would like to thank you so much for today’s evening. I hope you enjoyed having time with us and answering all these questions. We would like to ask you to join us next time.
Ingo Rube: Thank you so much for having me. It was pretty much fun talking with you guys. We are really looking forward to see you guys again after the network goes live. Thanks!
Vlady Limes: Thank you, Bye bye!
Ingo Rube: Bye bye!
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