The Intersubjective Landscape of Religious Beliefs: Comparing Belief in Greek Myths and Modern Religions

Juan Álvarez
The Intersubjectivist
6 min readMar 21, 2024

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The concept of belief, particularly in the context of religion and mythology, takes on fascinating complexities when we examine its intersubjective nature. This article delves into the work of Paul Veyne (1988) and his exploration of Greek myths, contrasting them with modern religious belief systems. Through Veyne’s key concepts, we will see how the “what” and “how” of belief differed significantly between these two worlds.

A crucial distinction proposed by Veyne is the concept of constitutive imagination. Unlike modern religious doctrines often presented as literal truths, Greek myths functioned more as a framework. They provided a shared understanding of the world, human nature, and the divine, without necessarily demanding strict adherence to their fantastical elements. This highlights a dichotomy between belief and value. The Greeks valued their myths for the meaning and explanations they offered, but their belief in them was not identical to the unwavering faith found in many modern religions.

Greek Myths as a Framework Ancient Greeks not only narrated fascinating stories about gods, heroes, and monsters but also wove a complex network of ideas and values that permeated their society. Greek myths served as a framework that helped them:

Understand the world: Myths provided explanations for natural phenomena, the origin of the universe, and human nature. They offered a worldview that made sense of the reality around them.

Guide morality: Myths conveyed values and norms of behavior through stories and actions of their characters. They taught about justice, heroism, piety, and the consequences of hubris.

Legitimize power: Myths were used to justify social and political order. Kings and leaders were associated with heroic or divine figures, reinforcing their authority and legitimacy.

Explore the human condition: Myths addressed universal themes such as life, death, love, war, and destiny. They offered a way to reflect on the big questions of existence.

Unify culture: Myths shared a common language and set of values that united different Greek communities, creating a sense of collective identity.

Key Features of the Framework:

Flexibility: Myths were not rigid dogmas but could adapt to different contexts and interpretations.

Ambiguity: Myths often contained paradoxes and contradictions that invited reflection and debate.

Symbolism: Characters, events, and objects in myths had symbolic meanings that could be interpreted on various levels.

Greek myths were not just entertaining stories but also constituted a fundamental framework for social, political, and cultural life in ancient Greece. Here are some examples of how this framework was applied: Explanation of the origin of the universe: The creation myth explained how Gaia (Earth) and Uranus (Sky) gave birth to the Titans, gods, and the rest of the world.

Moral guidance: The Prometheus myth illustrated the consequences of defying the gods and the importance of obedience.

Legitimization of power: The Theseus and the Minotaur myth justified Athens’ dominance over Crete.

Exploration of the human condition: The Oedipus myth addressed the theme of fate and tragedy.

Unification of culture: Panhellenic myths, such as the Olympic Games, united Greek city-states under a shared cultural identity.

This framework remains relevant today for understanding the culture and society of ancient Greece, as well as for reflecting on the big questions of the human condition.

Additionally, the function of myths differed greatly. While modern religions often focus on salvation and life after death, Greek myths had a broader purpose. They offered moral lessons, explained natural phenomena such as thunder and lightning, and provided legitimacy to existing social structures. This focus on the here and now contrasts with the often otherworldly focus of modern religions.

The historicity of myths adds another layer of complexity. Unlike static religious doctrines, Greek myths evolved over time. Reflecting Greek society and ever-changing philosophical views, these narratives were fluid and adaptable. This sharply contrasts with the emphasis on the immutable nature of scriptures in many religions.

Perhaps the most striking difference lies in comparison with modern belief systems. Veyne argues that Greek belief in their myths was not analogous to modern religious faith. The Greeks readily acknowledged the fantastical nature of their myths, whereas modern believers often cling to doctrines as absolute truths.

The role of poets and storytellers also played a fundamental role. These individuals actively shaped and disseminated myths, influencing how they were understood. This contrasts with the emphasis on a single source of divinely inspired truth often found in religions.

Social and political context further shaped the creation and interpretation of myths. These narratives reflected the concerns and power structures of the time, providing valuable insights into Greek society. Here, we see a focus on the present world, unlike many religions with detailed cosmologies and eschatologies.

Myth as a source of knowledge presents another distinction. While not scientific or historical in the modern sense, Greek myths provided a unique form of knowledge. They helped people understand the world around them and their place within it. This differs from the emphasis on revealed knowledge or scriptures found in many religions.

Amid the mythological age (to call it something), and the rise of major religions, we find philosophy, which primarily sought to explain the world and humanity through reason and logical analysis, moving away from mythical explanations. However, when faced with the issue of transcendence, philosophy encounters significant limitations. It does not offer definitive answers, which creates uncertainty and disillusionment for those seeking certainties. Furthermore, it lacks empirical evidence and tends to focus excessively on reason, overlooking emotional and spiritual aspects associated with transcendence. These limitations pave the way for major religions to thrive, as they provide clear and definitive answers about life after death, the existence of a higher being, and the purpose of life. Religions also provide a ritual and social framework that facilitates connection with the divine and the experience of transcendence. Therefore, while philosophy offers a valuable perspective in the search for transcendence, its limitations allow religions to satisfy the human need for definitive answers and transcendent experiences. This process of seeking transcendence has manifested throughout history, from the evolution of myths to religions, reflecting the development of rationality, morality, the search for transcendence, and the centralization of power.

Unlike formalized belief systems with established doctrines about deities, Greek mythology was more fluid and narrative-driven. This reflects a more flexible approach to the divine compared to the rigid structures often found in religions.

Comparison between the frameworks of major religions and mythology: Similarities:

Worldview: Both religions and mythology offer a view of the universe, its origin, and humanity’s place in it. Both answer questions about existence, life, and death.

Divinity: Both religions and mythology generally rely on belief in supernatural entities, which can be personal or impersonal. These entities are a source of power, meaning, and values.

Texts: Both religions and mythology have texts containing stories and teachings about their beliefs.

Rites and practices: Both religions and mythology have practices that allow believers to connect with the divine, express their faith, and strengthen their community.

Morality: Both religions and mythology offer a moral code that guides the behavior of their followers.

Community: Both religions and mythology create a community of believers who share values, beliefs, and practices.

Differences:

Truthfulness: Religions are generally presented as literal truths, while mythology is recognized as fictional or symbolic stories.

Function: Religions focus on salvation and life after death, while mythology has a broader function, including explaining natural phenomena, legitimizing social power, and teaching moral values.

Evolution: Religions usually have a set of fixed doctrines, while mythology evolves over time and adapts to different cultural contexts.

Faith: Religions demand unwavering faith in their doctrines, while mythology allows for greater flexibility in interpreting its stories.

Structure: Religions have a hierarchical structure with leaders and authorities, while mythology is more flexible and open to individual interpretation.

Religions are based on faith in absolute truths and seek salvation, while mythology offers symbolic stories that explore the human condition and the surrounding world.

Both, however, have had a profound impact on human culture and society, providing people with meaning, purpose, and answers to life’s big questions.

By examining Veyne’s key concepts in “Did the Greeks Believe in Their Myths?: Essay on the Constitutive Imagination,” we gain a profound understanding of the intersubjective nature of belief. The way the Greeks believed in their myths differed significantly from how modern people adhere to their religions. While both systems provide meaning and structure, the “what” and “how” of belief reveal a fascinating divergence over time and culture.

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Juan Álvarez
The Intersubjectivist

Autor, filósofo y especialista en narrativa, creatividad, pensamiento disruptivo, y líder en servicios creativos. Story-Coach, guionista y marketer digital.