S02 E 18 — The Super Randonneur (1/2)
Mechanical Engineer | Cyclist | Sports Scientist | Author
This is the un-edited auto-transcribed version of the episode with Raman Garimella.
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Raman Garimella 0:00
Sometimes I may come off as immature or childish. So be it. I don’t care. I just want to play. I even had friends who were more ambitious than me. You know, speaking of professional sports, that also helps you know, where you have role models. They don’t have to be always round rabbits, Surgeon General guys, but even people around you, even if they’re a year or two older, they seem like heroes in your life. I see Naga, I get tired of things, I get bored of things. Now, I’m sure every listener can because it’s part of probably a generation with the attention spans. I don’t know what it is. But we get bored of things. You want to jump to something else just for more, maybe? I don’t know. Yeah, I didn’t get a tradition to actually change that traditional job. Again, because people around me were doing it. I did it.
Naga Subramanya B B 0:51
Hello, and welcome to the passion people podcast. You’re listening to season two, Episode 18. Part One, we found another episode where our current are so deep and they’ve touched so many different topics that we’ve decided to split this into two smaller episodes, so you have some time to listen to it and process it and then take a look at the other episode, the next fortnight. The reason this is being done is twofold. The first one is because it will help help you reflect on whatever has happened instead of consuming it all together. The second reason is because attention spans are decreasing. So we’re not really sure how many people are listening to the entire episode. And breaking it down into two parts is one of the ways that we’re trying to improve engagement. And this is one of the ways in which we’re constantly trying to iterate and find out what is it that works with our listeners, which is new people. And so if you have your thoughts or any comments on how we’re doing this over the last couple of episodes and how it will be done over the next couple of episodes, we’d love to hear from you. My apologies for having a bad throat. So, you know, but don’t worry the record was done a couple of weeks ago, so the recording is just fine. For today’s episode, we’re in conversation with Robin Gary Miller, who’s a super mountaineer. And I’ll wait and make you wait till the next episode to figure out what that is. But he’s a national level cyclist, who’s right now studying sport sciences in Germany. Roman also wrote a book called escape velocity with another cycling enthusiasts slash friend, Google Krishna. And in today’s episode, we dive into Roman childhood as engineering how it shaped him the podcast that he listens to the podcast that I listened to, and so much more. I hope you enjoy listening to today’s conversation. Let’s dive right in. Roman, thank you so much for taking time to be on the passion people podcast. I’m really excited to have you on the show.
Raman Garimella 2:45
Thanks, Naga. Thank you very much.
Naga Subramanya B B 2:48
Do you wanna do like a quick intro of yourself?
Raman Garimella 2:51
Yeah, so
my name is Raman. I’m actually I’m from Hyderabad. I spent all my life in Hyderabad and then I moved to Goa to study and now I live in Belgium.
My
professional journey has been engineering Sport Science and now a PhD. I do research in cycling aerodynamics. That’s my work. That’s where I’m from. And I’m 30 years old.
Okay. So for
Naga Subramanya B B 3:21
the day when we were preparing for our pre interview, and when you’re telling me a story, you told how you had like a really interesting upbringing, where did your engineering and go on? You had some interesting role models and a lot of part lot of the part of the story that I would want you to revisit for our listeners because I enjoyed that conversation with you so much. So can we maybe wind back the clock and see how you got to where you are today?
Raman Garimella 3:56
Yeah, I think a big part of my identity is sports. I I have I can’t imagine a week in you know, ever since I was a child that I wasn’t out playing, they could be, you know, it could be Hide and Seek or it could be any kind of colony sports or more competitive team or individual sports. When I was growing up, I had a lot of Army kids in my area I grew up my my family wasn’t in the army, but I was in that neighborhood where it was almost compulsory to go out and play. And for me, that was a big escape as well, like, just loved escaping home and playing. And as I grew older, even in high school, I can remember when it was so much peer pressure and pressure from family pressure from yourself to do it prep and prepare for all these engineering entrance exams. Were you know, it was not uncommon to hear people who be locked from 8am to 8pm just in their books, and that does reward I mean, there’s no there’s no denying But I just couldn’t imagine myself doing it. And as let me have it I, all the places I went allowed me like even in that stressful time of it prep. I remember we will do anything to get out one out of football, or table tennis, and you have an event to go out I said it and go, I spent four years, my engineering life there. My all my friends were football friends, and we were like most of us were in the university football team. We would train together, no matter how bad lifestyle choices were, we would still always find time to play. Right after that. I wanted to chase a childhood dream of becoming a professional athlete. It’s not like I had a very clear plan of what exactly I wanted to do. And one thing led to another I I got into cycling and then I became a professional cyclist. So I’m here to talk about that part of my life essentially, how cycling you know, how I got drawn to cycling and what I’m doing now. to sort of give back to
the cycling community through this book,
Naga Subramanya B B 6:03
okay, and so before we get there, and I just want to maybe dive a little bit deeper on the importance of playwright because in today’s world, I, I see us all getting sucked more and more into our telephones and our netflix accounts and our TVs and whatnot. So, I think it’s really important that you mentioned about play and the kind of inspiration or the motivation we have to go out and do that. So in the in, in today’s day and age, where we’re more technologically inclined, if given the opportunity, would you still make the same choices and in that one, or would you still go out and play football and sort of maybe playing on your phone or watching something?
Raman Garimella 6:46
Yeah, that’s really hard to say, especially for someone like me, because I, I can’t. I am the kind who binge watches stuff. I am the guy who you know who’s locked in my house. So the weekend just you know, watching All my YouTube stuff or re watching the show so it’s very dangerous. I agree I don’t know how to react. But I’m glad that I’m not growing up now because just sweating and exercise that was just necessary for me and that is probably to an extent which is not pleasant in the sense that I get cranky when I don’t exercise or when I don’t play then that might affect people around me. Yeah, importance of play I can tell you on a personal note that I have important to play and you know, things like keeping the child alive. These are some things I will never let go of and in exchange, you know if sometimes I may come off as immature or childish, so be it I don’t care. I just want to play.
Okay.
Naga Subramanya B B 7:52
So how did how did your childhood experiences or how did the places where you grew up impact how you are at how you look at the world today?
Raman Garimella 8:03
Yeah, I’ll come back to the plating again. Because I was in a place where sports was such a big thing and I later I realized it’s not everyone had it like people I speak to now my age, not all of them had it they may have you know, grown up in city centres where space was limited. They may have been in apartment complexes where if you wanted to play cricket, let’s say you would actually have to go rent a field I know that now. Every time I come back to Hyderabad, Bangalore it’s it’s hard to find a football pitch it’s always you have to get into a whatsapp group where people are waiting for 10 people to assemble so that you can then rent you know, a five a side football pitch. This never happened. This is indeed this is these are barriers right you earlier you step outside the door, you run to the ground and that’s it. That was it. Again, I think Naga una I discussed this earlier, that you are the average of the five people or whatever number of people that you surround yourself with. And in my case, but at least three or four of those people used to be always playing or into sports, or I even had friends who were more ambitious than me. You know, speaking of professional sports, that also helps you know, where you have role models, they don’t have to be always round rabbits in 10 years, but even people around you even if they’re a year or two older, they seem like heroes in your life. And in that sense, my company and my role models as I was growing up, this I’m only talking about my childhood now have always told me that you have to get better at sports. You have to keep doing sports, enjoy it, I go go to the next level, as much as you can.
Naga Subramanya B B 9:46
Yeah, got it, got it. And then enter so important, right and, and I totally agree with you on the five people you hang out with part because it’s something similar that I am going through with the podcasting journey, and it’s so nice to have Similar like minded people around me, and that really helped me sustain and continue doing this as as a side project.
Raman Garimella 10:09
Yeah, I want to ask you a question What’s your I know we made this little joke about the parallel in the podcasting world you’re the you’re the average of the five podcasts you listen to, so what does Naga What does Naga is from the fashion people podcast? What are your without offending anyone? What are your five if you’d like to name names what five podcast you listen to.
Unknown Speaker 10:31
So I listen to Indian Noir which is a fantasy fiction podcast based out of India, I listen to Mythofiction which is again similar. I listened to The Musafir Stories which is travel stories of India. I’m I’m just starting a Reply All by Gimlet. Okay, and I found that really nice. I listened to the a16z podcast because I’m interested in the investing space. So a16z is the podcast by the VC from Andreessen Horowitz. And so what they do is they take each week’s news and they dissected and they talk about how a particular news element would impact business or how it would impact venture capital investing. And they also generally talk about cutting edge technologies, which I find really, really nice and interesting as well.
Raman Garimella 11:15
Yeah, that seems like a healthy mix. It’s not one dimensional, your list.
Unknown Speaker 11:19
Right? Right. And I also The Economist, because I don’t, I don’t have the patience to read it. So I listen to specific articles that I like,
Raman Garimella 11:29
so if you have the app, you can actually listen to the economics some of the articles of the economist. So that’s that’s another large part of my audio consumption have become very of this thing now because I have a feeling I can’t be fully sure I have a feeling that my my audio consumption or my my ears consume more podcasts than colleagues or friends you know, on the whole during the work during during the week, because of commute or because when I’m doing the dishes or when I’m just driving so I’m now wary of Choosing your friends so to speak. Because these these can become like, I still think I’m quite an impressionable guy. So just to give an example, I listened to my, my all time favorite comedian, Bill Burr. He has a podcast, he’s been doing it for, I don’t know, 911 years now. Every week, he puts out two podcasts and he talks about nothing in specific, he just ranting about his day or week or sports or, you know, political correctness, whatever it is. But I started noticing that his was the only podcast I listened to. And I started swearing a lot more in my real life. Because he’s bombs and you know, unnecessary sweating. So yeah, I should start seeking out recommendations, like we used to do earlier. What show Are you watching or what book are you reading?
Naga Subramanya B B 12:47
Absolutely. And I have to say this, now that you’ve brought it up, I was speaking to someone last week, and they told me a theory of the homogenization of the world. So essentially what he said was We’re watching the same stuff, we’re listening to the same music, we’re eating the same news, we are plugged into the same social networks. So because of the food we give our brains is so similar. They’re all going to be thinking and doing the same things. And that is why I think whatever you brought up is so important that you can have that diversity of thought. You can have someone who disagrees with something that you say, you have someone or some place from where you keep getting new ideas or different thoughts and opinions, which are 360 degrees different from the world that you live in. Because Facebook recommends stories to you based on what you’ve already browse to get ads based on what you’ve already visited. You get music recommendations based on what you’ve already listened to or what you have liked. So there’s this huge, I guess, algorithmic echo chamber that gets created. And it’s so important that you know, we keep our brain food aptly curated.
Raman Garimella 13:53
Yeah, man. And actually, that brings me to perfect segue brings me back to sports because I when I moved back from go to Hyderabad, this is where I started cycling. I went to a local cycling club and
Naga Subramanya B B 14:09
during to talk about your journey your time before you went to go and how how go I was, I really like that conversation is
Raman Garimella 14:17
now I was just going to say sports just get you in touch with people who are not necessarily like you. Right? anyway yeah so sorry you were asking about in Goa
Naga Subramanya B B 14:29
before go and then go so you were telling us about your experience and how there’s a lot of pressure at home to you know, study and do well and how football was this release for you?
Raman Garimella 14:40
Yeah, yeah, I might be coming off coming across as you know, one of those meathead football fans but football is actually quite an important English football especially because I’ve watched it for God knows now 1415 years and have supported one club and that’s a source of it’s it’s also something for me, you know, I support this club called arsenal. And you go to the highs and lows as a football supporter football you know it had watching football was one aspirational part of it but also playing football I I turned out good at football it’s still one of my first loves not cycling football was one of my first loves.
Naga Subramanya B B 15:21
But what happened what happened later? I think
Raman Garimella 15:23
I see Naga I get tired of things I get bored of things. I think I got I can totally
Naga Subramanya B B 15:31
I can hundred percent relate to.
Raman Garimella 15:33
I’m sure every listener can because it’s part of probably a generation with the attention spans. I don’t know what it is. But we get bored of things. We want to jump to something else just for more maybe I don’t know. But I was starting to see that in sports and are no longer a function of you alone. It’s it’s a function of all your other teammates what their day has been like what their mood is like day may not be as invested in this as you are. Because after all, we were just playing to the university, right? We weren’t professionals who had contracts who were obligated to do a fine job. We were just there. And it was like a whole range of, you know, someone just drop in just for fun or someone made it their life. So I wanted to Yeah, I thought cycling was a lot more. It reflects your effort, you know, what you put in you see, you train, you get faster, you go longer, and nobody else is there. Except you who’s responsible for that? We, you know, for the rewards or for the failures. Yeah.
Naga Subramanya B B 16:44
Right. And I guess there’s also a parallel there to working out right, because it’s also like a fairly immediate feedback loop where you’re working out and you can see I’m getting better I’m getting leaner. I’m able to do more push ups and pull ups and That’s the same thing we’re talking about in cycling as well.
Raman Garimella 17:02
Yeah, absolutely.
Although I think this is true for literally anything. The the curve, the improvement you see in the beginning is a lot more than if everything gets boring after a while everything becomes work after a while. So that’s Yeah, but but if you’re addicted to that, if you want to see going, let’s say you’re going to going from 80 to 90% of your ability is easier than going from let’s say 90 to 95% that it gets that increment becomes, I don’t know it was probably exponential or God knows what really, really hard to see that barrier right in the beginning when you pick up any hobby, any workout, any sport, one of the greatest rewards is just seeing improvement and that that also can be addictive. No, because you jump from Hobby the hobby because they’re addicted seeing
seeing that growth.
Naga Subramanya B B 18:03
Absolutely. And
I guess there’s two ways of looking at this, right? The one way of looking at it is saying that, you know, you really like looking at and learning about new things. The second way is looking at it from a, I can’t go from that 90 to 95% from this leaving this and trying something else. And I guess that’s where we all have to figure out whether, you know, we found or whether we’re pursuing something that they’re going to invest in the long term, like, kind of like what you did with cycling, instead of, you know, you could have just bounced around with a bunch of sports, but
Raman Garimella 18:39
you finally settled down somewhere. Yeah, I think what worked in my favor, was that I started at a very late age started at 2122. Ideally, if you want to get really really like world class, good at any sport, you should start, who you know, based on the spot, you should start in your preteens or mid teens or late teens. And I you know, I was studying variety and entrance exams at that point, so I didn’t get to do that. But I managed to do well enough for myself in the Indian scene, even though I started quite late. Speaking of these, speaking of moving from, you know, topic to topic, I saw this book on your bookshelf. range, right? Right. Was it on a bookshelf?
Naga Subramanya B B 19:27
Yes, yes, it was and you’ve taken you’ve taken whatever I’m gonna say right from me. So I love
Raman Garimella 19:32
you to continue. I it’s on my list. I have the E book. I think I read the first two chapters.
Have you got Have you? Have you finished it or yet to start?
Naga Subramanya B B 19:44
I am also I’ve passed the second chapter. So I guess they’re both in the same place where he’s talking about, you know, doubt. Tiger Woods versus, you know,
Raman Garimella 19:52
who’s that Federer
Naga Subramanya B B 19:55
for tiger, Tiger Woods versus Roger Federer, right where Federer was playing a lot of these other sports and Tiger Woods was just one, one of those things. So I wanted to tell you that, you know, I kind of disagree with you that you need to start really early to be vocal as good in something. Yeah, I guess range for anyone who’s listening in and who is interested in like, developing like a broad well rounded personality. I think range is a must read for them.
Raman Garimella 20:18
Yeah, I have it for a completely other reason I got the book just to reconfirm sort of validate what I do. I, as I’ll tell you, I tried to different I tried a variety of jobs and sectors, and I’m yet to nail one down. And I sort of I wanted to confirm, validate my career choices, and that’s why he got that book. Isn’t it what the book said? The Book says like it it tells you the the merits of being a generalist rather than being a specialist, right.
Naga Subramanya B B 20:54
Absolutely. And it’s interesting that you mentioned this because that’s the exact same reason why I bought The book is wealth. And I have like a very broad palette of interests. And so there’s this concept called transfer where you can take something you learn from one domain or area of expertise, and you can apply it in a totally different context and totally new place. Yeah. And so and I can see that I can actually more than See, I can actually experience that happening with myself and, and it’s also a nice way to tell yourself that you’re going in the right direction, right? Because you need some kind of external validation to tell you that. It’s okay, whatever you’re doing, it’s fine. Because you’re becoming a generalist. And a book says that you can be a journalist. That’s a good thing. So I guess coming back to your it days, right word, what happens next?
Raman Garimella 21:44
I actually did quite well. I don’t know if you can tell. But I’m a smart guy. I’m a pro of engineers, as most people around me did. Yeah, I did. I love math. So I just actually love that challenge as well. And probably Playing on the side always kept me sane enough to do you know, the work required for these entrance exams? I did quite well. I could I could choose from, I don’t know, maybe five or six, good. top choice colleges and I eventually went to bed school. Okay, yeah. And I didn’t I dread the concept of having to repeat or do the same thing again. You know what I mean dropping a crew to do it or another exam. Does that happen in in your area myself Canada.
Naga Subramanya B B 22:41
Of course it happened in CL heart rate because they are exams are in critical paths to completion of the course. And if you don’t pass, then you’re you’re done. And six months of your life is poof, you’re gone. And then you rewrite the exam and you keep doing that over and over again. Yeah, I wasn’t I wasn’t I can understand Yeah. Okay, so so you chose the best college that you had? Or was there any particular reason that you wanted to go to
Raman Garimella 23:07
go? Now when I want to tell a good story, I’ll probably say that because it’s go I went there. Back then it was because for some reason, I think I had a cousin that I was that I looked up to. And he did mechanical engineering as it his father. At the time my father passed away just then. And if he were around, maybe he would have a strong opinion one way or the other. But my mom, the angel that she is, she kind of left me to decide. You know, that’s, that’s very unlike parents that we let the kid decide almost 100%. So yeah, I had this cousin who did mechanical engineering and thought if I wanted a mechanical engineering and on paper, which is the best place and then this sounds like a good college, we should go there. But when I went there, man, I shift. studies were hardly part of my agenda. I mean, go on. All right, the weather beaches and all the people that were there that was really refreshing.
Okay, get to elaborate.
Yeah, cuz you have you get
if I had stayed in my hometown, I’m only going to meet people from my own town, most likely, right? And then nine out of 10 would be people from around done but moving out and you know, staying on a campus plus bits as this whole marriage thing, right? There’s no reservation nothing. So you just got the smartest people from everywhere from everywhere all over India. And then that also like teaches you internalize this lessons in tolerance and networking, making friends, you know, how to live together and how to work together. Absolute fun, I think what our takeaway from that college is just the network. It’s not the lessons or not, I can’t even there’s maybe two or three professors that will stay in my memory. Maybe one book that will stay in my memory, the network, you build both your immediate best friends that you make for life or even the extended, you know, LinkedIn networks. Because there’s just so much talent around you not just in books, they’re singers, there were sports people, there’s always someone better at whatever you were doing. And that was great.
Naga Subramanya B B 25:25
Okay, and was everyone also very economically inclined, or were they more laid back because it was, where the location is?
Raman Garimella 25:35
The location.
Now, I think some people might lead you to believe that, you know, go out, messes you up, and you shouldn’t go to studying go out because of alcohol or drugs or but that’s not true at all, like, temptations are everywhere, like people get drawn to temptations everywhere. And, you know, my my batch was no different. They were were they academically do Good. Yeah, some of them were exceptionally gifted and they’re doing like wonderful things in research in industry, but they were also slackers, like me, who just managed last minute stuff. They were just some because, you know, at the end of the day, we were there. Because we cleared certain, you know, hurdles, or whatever. Right. And if he could do it once we could do it again. Yeah, passing exams was a, it was a little bit of a rush around exams time. But not everybody was always you know, bookish or whatever. Right.
Naga Subramanya B B 26:39
That’s, hmm. I like the I like the part where
I got to meet people who are not from my hometown. Right. And I think that ties in nicely with our diversity of thought conversation that we were having earlier.
Raman Garimella 26:54
Yeah, yeah.
Naga Subramanya B B 26:58
Right. So what happens after after Sort of after you graduate from here. So do do get like a traditional job. And then where do you get into cycling?
Raman Garimella 27:06
Yeah, I did get a traditional job. I actually chased that traditional job. Again, because people around me were doing it. I did it. I also was looking at, I don’t know, I think it was MBA, I was looking at MBA. So okay. I was actually really bad at interviews. And probably I was, you know, way too honest or candid than required. But
Naga Subramanya B B 27:30
I have to stop you here. What good stuff Are you telling in these interviews?
Raman Garimella 27:34
Oh, man, I’ll tell you an anecdote. But first, yeah, so so I would clear the every interview had an aptitude round and an interview round, right. Right. aptitude, I will be in like, whatever top 1% 5% whatever it takes. But in the interviews, I would, you know, if I didn’t know something, I would say I don’t know, which is fine. But then probably it was the way I said, I have a fun anecdote. I went to this MBA interview where they said, so why should we take you or something like that? Why should? Why should we give you an MBA in our college? And I think I said, because I think it’s so embarrassing man even now, thing I said, because wherever I go, I fit into a groove. And that groove is more often than not above average, above average, is what I say. Later, I realized these are not skills. This is not definitely not a skill that you’d like to show anywhere. There are thoughts that you keep to yourself. And then the answer that you polish and I’m sure that same sentence, that same sentiment could have been packaged very differently. Right? Yeah. Yeah, they don’t, there’s a bit of short selling as well. Like, I used to do that quite a lot. Now with the book, I’m learning not to do that.
Naga Subramanya B B 28:55
Absolutely. So but so what happened to your GMAT, and then you got to admitted and due to this is what happened during the interview process, is it?
Raman Garimella 29:04
Yeah, this is a interview. I didn’t get admitted in a lot of places I think I gave. I have an Excel sheet somewhere more than 20 interviews. And I got, I got to do one or two of them, which was Yeah, which is a huge blow to my ego. So you can imagine.
Naga Subramanya B B 29:19
I can totally imagine.
Raman Garimella 29:20
Yeah, so one of them. One of the interviews I cleared was indeed a traditional job in Africa. Okay, software, I had no background of coding, but then they thought this was something I could pick up. I tried. I did, yeah, I spent about eight months or something in that first job. But then I had this sort of quarterlife crisis where I thought, This job is wasting my time I should do something else. And then something else happened to be cycling.
Naga Subramanya B B 29:49
Just to elaborate on the on the quarter life crisis thing. I think it’s something that we’ve all gone through and we are going through. Yeah, and it’s also a nice I think it’s a nice opportunity for me Also tell you as well as my listeners that there’s a, there’s a podcast on our dieting that I’m going to be bringing out by the end of the hour. So, so do you think that there are specific things that you wish you knew when you were at that age or even stuff that you wish you knew now, but you wanted to know them earlier, but what what would one or two of these things be?
Raman Garimella 30:22
I probably could have negotiated some kind of part time day job, rather than going quitting all the way. Okay. And, yeah, I mean, because when I picked up cycling it, it wasn’t an eight hour job. It was, you know, a few or some days could be six hours, some days could be 30 minutes, based on your training plan based on how busy you are. I, I could have, you know, made more contacts, you know, worked on different skills while doing cycling. So in hindsight, maybe I could have negotiated apart job with the same multinational. Another thing I wish your question was What did woody What did I wish I knew?
Naga Subramanya B B 31:10
They are already we should know now. All right, what do you what did you want to know earlier that you know now, when you mentioned about the short selling part and how you’re doing differently with the book, now you’re mentioning about, you know, negotiating, figuring out a way to keep your job while you were pursuing your passion for cycling. Is there anything else? Are there a couple of other things that you wish you knew, that knew these things earlier? That maybe they would have put you on a path quicker on a different path altogether?
Raman Garimella 31:38
Yeah, sure. I probably could have
persisted with fundraising, because as an athlete in that kind of sport, there is not a lot of immediate sponsors. You have to seek them yourself. And it was only in one of the years that I did it. But I could have been smarter in you know, Using my network and you know, telling that story and telling sponsors more cleverly what was in it for them, you know? Yeah, that’s something I could have used. Which I know now Yeah.
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