The Hardest Problem in Neuroscience is the Skull!

Lisha li
Third Thursdays
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2 min readFeb 13, 2018

Notes on the first Third Thursday Salon meeting of 2018. Topic of discussion: Brain Computer Interfaces. Co-organized with Ben Reinhardt.

See the Economist BCI summary: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rndus3rewaq2yri/AADw2Bu9x52JAYUKO1ayeYNMa?dl=0

https://www.economist.com/technology-quarterly/2018-01-06/thought-experiments

https://www.economist.com/news/technology-quarterly/21733196-brain-computer-interfaces-sound-stuff-science-fiction-andrew-palmer

Assertion: We’re interface limited:

We don’t have enough resolution to do X

If X is manipulation:

You can do XY control with 50 electrodes <Source>

Biomimetic — go all the way to the brain

Co-Adaptaton

Utah Array

Brain has 85 Billion Neurons and 85 Billion Glia

Glia in the central nervous system are divided into four kinds:

  • Astrocytes (20–40%) — Gradient Following Badasses, star shaped, envelop synapses, wrap foreign bodies, are the bane of implant designers but ignore things less than 10–15 microns (neuron body size, perhaps a coincidence but likely not)
  • Microglia — Basically white blood cells (the brain has its own freaking immune system)
  • Oligodendrocytes — wrap neurons to help with electrical tranmission
  • Ependyma — important for neuroregeneration and creating cerebrospinal fluid. Lines the walls of the ventricals

¾ of all neurons are in the cerebellum.… but people can get by without it. Cerebellum neurons are tiny.

Ben Barres: brough scientific attention to the important role of Gilia in the brain. Incidentally, also an incredibly valuable perspective on sexism since Ben was a academic before and after sex change.

More on Gilia cells.

Brain has its own immune system

You can trick the brain immune system with things that are <10–15 microns which is ~one neuron body

Dura Fibroblasts

Measuring brain activity and strucutre.

One way to do things is to project signals into a 400 dimensional space and then back down into your few-dof control

Neurons are a many->one->many mapping. Many things activate voltage spikes which then

cause many effects.

Other Tools Besides Voltage Sensors

Phil Kennedy -> Data

Attention Paradox?

Eyes as a BCI

What is attention?

Argument for natural Stimulus

Bengio — Boltzman machine

-Bengio gave a definition of how backprop is equivalent to some biological stuff. My sense was that it was regarded as not too true…

-Hinton thinks otherwise

Will we have more Neuroshaming? People with funny shaped brains.

Where does physical intuition come from?

Visual-semantic boundary.

“The ways of Nature” — good term

Other input methods:

Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation

Cochlear implant — bright light near the ear to bounce around into the brain. 800nm light

Somatosensory Stimulation

Hardest Problem in Neuroscience is the skull (ha!)

Lorentz-force imager

Neural Dust

Need more non polar things to get through the blood brain barrier

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Lisha li
Third Thursdays

Venture capitalist focused on AI startups. PhD UC Berkeley math and deep learning. www.lishali.com