Episode 30: Context in Charlottesville w/ Elgin Cleckley

Philadelphia’s first monument to a black American, Octavius Catto (Photo by Katrina Johnston-Zimmerman)

Nearly two months after the violent and hateful events in Charlottesville, Virginia, we sit down with Elgin Cleckley — assistant professor of architecture and design thinking at the University of Virginia — to talk about his experience as a black designer in the city. We discuss his recent Next City article, , about putting context to place, the optimism of design thinking, and how we can have better conversations around the future we want for our cities.

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Main article on Next City:

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Intro and closing music is “Urban Life” by Gustavs Strazdin used under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license:

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A podcast highlighting the new normal of urbanism in our globalized cities, as told by two female urbanists Katrina + Kristen.