Episode 35: Making Architecture More Diverse w/ Perkins+Will

“Lifting the Veil” monument to Booker T. Washington at Tuskegee University (Photo courtesy Nick Seierup, Principal, Perkins+Will)

African Americans make up about 12 percent of the population in the U.S. but only about two percent of registered architects, with African American women consisting of .02 percent of architects overall. If the practice is meant to reflect the people being designed for, it will need to find ways to promote diversity within the field and in educational programs. In this episode we talk with three members of Perkins+Will, one of the first big US studios to hire a Director of Global Diversity, who are aiming to do just that.

Our guests include: , an active member of NOMA (the National Organization of Minority Architects), Director of Global Diversity and leader of Perkins+Will’s Diversity+Inclusion+Engagement Strategic Plan; , Design Principal in the Los Angeles office and inaugural Visiting Scholar at Tuskegee University; and Kevin Holland, Director of Operations at Perkins+Will LA, also on the Architectural Advisory Board at Tuskegee University and a past President of NOMA.

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Episode references:

Perkins+Will Diversity + Inclusion + Engagement Initiative:

Perkins+Will and Tuskegee University Annual Visiting Scholar Program:

National Organization of Minority Architects;

Architects Newspaper’s interview with Gabrielle Bullock:


Intro and closing music is “Urban Life” by Gustavs Strazdin used under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license:

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